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Post by jelricle on Dec 9, 2021 16:30:54 GMT
How do people feel about blade barrier? Am I the only one who finds it surprisingly underwhelming?
I was very excited when I found the sea blade shield, which casts blade barrier at level 40. However, I have yet to see it impact even pre-immortal area mobs.
I kid you not, the 3 thieves on the bridge of the east road simply waltzed through _two_ walls of knives.
. . . Did I say “through”? I meant “amidst”! (I corralled them in the area with my toon)
I think the AB of the daggers is in severe need of boosting.
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Post by boroie on Dec 9, 2021 16:37:08 GMT
How do people feel about blade barrier? Am I the only one who finds it surprisingly underwhelming? I was very excited when I found the sea blade shield, which casts blade barrier at level 40. However, I have yet to see it impact even pre-immortal area mobs. I kid you not, the 3 thieves on the bridge of the east road simply waltzed through _two_ walls of knives. . . . Did I say “through”? I meant “amidst”! (I corralled them in the area with my toon) I think the AB of the daggers is in severe need of boosting. Blade barrier AB is boosted by the caster level, casting stat mod and foci. Items never have these unless explicitly mentioned. wiki.hgweb.org/wiki/Blade_Barrier |
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Post by tomaan on Dec 9, 2021 16:44:36 GMT
generally speaking, you're not going to much value out of offensive spells cast from items...iirc the thids wands stop working at/around the ice kobolds, and that's a lvl 16 tag
the defensive spells still provide some benefit though
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Post by simpetar on Dec 9, 2021 17:35:32 GMT
generally speaking, you're not going to much value out of offensive spells cast from items...iirc the thids wands stop working at/around the ice kobolds, and that's a lvl 16 tag No idea where this is coming from. I use thids, dulv, ely and (especially) hive wands all the way to Axilar when leveling lowbies. Just gotta make sure to have a zapper ready (all except thids are somewhat precious). Blade Barrier is a niche spell, when you actually cast it (and have CL and stats to back it up). It does 150 avg slashing damage per round, times two for 2 spells, possibly more for big enemies. OK to use against enemies who take good slashing damage, and/or have pitiful AC, and/or big hitbox, and/or are stationary, for instance aboleth savants, sibriex, viper trees, kaorti alienists. But don't have high expectations. The biggest drawback is 1) that you need at least some conjuration foci to make it work in end game (GSF aug = waste of aug, hard feats = waste of feats) and 2) it competes with more desirable spell at their respective levels (6 = empowered HB, 7 = destruction, 8 extended GR). |
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Post by tomaan on Dec 9, 2021 22:20:28 GMT
generally speaking, you're not going to much value out of offensive spells cast from items...iirc the thids wands stop working at/around the ice kobolds, and that's a lvl 16 tag No idea where this is coming from. I use thids, dulv, ely and (especially) hive wands all the way to Axilar when leveling lowbies. Just gotta make sure to have a zapper ready (all except thids are somewhat precious). haven't really used the dulv and ely wands tbh....maybe I was just using them against the wrong mobs because the Thids Horrids and Chain Lightning wands haven't been very useful for me by the time I hit level 20 at the latest. |
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Post by jelricle on Dec 10, 2021 3:20:52 GMT
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Post by woqued on Dec 10, 2021 9:08:52 GMT
As you may have noticed, there are tons of very questionable set items in the game.
However, while it is pretty weak i.e never to be used as an item really, but what it does do is provide a consistent source of decent breakable breaking for classes without ranged options on their own.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2021 13:25:08 GMT
If you took all of the set loot in the game for all level break points I’d say 50% is worthless. The reason why is that this game is actually 3 games in one. 1-40, 41-60, and 61-80. Due to the tiered progression adds and later randomization it’s negated the need for a lot of the stop gaps the set loot afforded the community.
There’s also been a lot of questionable set loot made to be fair. It boils down to the simple fact that there’s a never ending journey of progression out there. Don’t let some useless set loot stop you from getting there!
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Post by simpetar on Dec 10, 2021 13:42:38 GMT
haven't really used the dulv and ely wands tbh....maybe I was just using them against the wrong mobs because the Thids Horrids and Chain Lightning wands haven't been very useful for me by the time I hit level 20 at the latest. The hammer wand from Ely is quite a reliable stun for stunnable stuff up to low-mid 20s. Wand of Noxious Fog is what really shines though - CL 50 Acid Fog will reliably kill most tag bosses up to and including Axilar. There are some exceptions: all acidy dragons (cessy, bloodpool, and grehn), Razhid (he has improved evasion and ridiculous saves - that's where the bug is extra annoying), and few others. Oh and it is usable by any class. |
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Post by chirality on Dec 11, 2021 13:06:58 GMT
Both thids wands also decimate virtually the entire PoA module. I'm sure you could actually complete the entire 1-40 content, including Lolth/Immo, with only those wands, if you had enough of them. Add in the acid cloud and this would be less of a challenge run and more of just a totally reasonable option.
Horrids works on just about anything and allows for wall/epic wall cheese, while chain lightning hits like a truck on anything that takes elec. Both wands slaughter zhents, so not being very useful by level 20 at the latest is a strange observation.
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