Devotions of Mystara not stacking with Kingpriests CL ego

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Hi,

I'm not sure if this is intended behavior or not.

I have a level 70 Theurge with level split Cleric 26, Wiz 13, Monk 1.

Caster level is cleric (26) plus wiz (13) minus one so is CL 58.

I have been testing with ethereal visage. I have only SF Illusion so get no bonuses to conceal. When I cast EV naked the !list ac shows conceal to be 75% as expected.

When I wear the Devotions of Mystara which give one additional CL for spells up to level 6 I should have CL 59. I still get conceal of 75% as expected.

When I add a Kingpriest ego item I was hoping to get an additional stacking CL up to level 60 but when I cast EV with the set up my conceal remains at 75% which indicates CL 58 or 59 not 60.

If I use either the robes or the ego with a netherese power orb or the spell pen arti power I get the expected CL 60 conceal at 80%.

Is it expected that the Devotions of Mystara and Kingpriest ego stack or not?

I haven't tested with a Dabblers ego, I'll give that a shot and update.

thanks

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I would expect them to stack. The DMs recently fixed the Pendant of the Seer which gives +1 DC to Cleric and Druid 6 and below to stack with a DC ego on the same item. Resulting in +2 DC to 6 and below and +1 DC 7-9.

It would stand to reason that two sources of CL would also afford this benefit as they’re from two different sources. Item and ego. I hope this can be fixed.

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Confirmed that with a Dabblers CL ego I get CL 60 and 80% conceal from EV

So I guess the question remains - is it intended that cleric CL ego does not stack for theurge casting wiz spells?

[chirality]

Why should it be intended? The premise doesn't make sense, in my opinion. The CL ego is intended to boost CL for one class (cleric), not to provide a net CL bonus for a theurge that is casting a wizard spell, regardless of the fact that a theurge's specialty CL calculation is an aggregate of cleric and wizard levels. In order for this rationale to exist, there would need to be an ego that boosts "theurge level" and thereby directly enhances the theurge's CL calculation, rather than augmenting the CL of a specific class after the theurge's combined CL has already been determined.

An item that is specifically designed to cater to a hybrid-casting quasiclass is one thing, as is an item that caters to improving the DC or SP for spells of multiple classes. The class-specific CL egos, however, explicitly (and clearly, by intent) offer improved caster level only for spells of the specified class.

As you saw with Dabbler's, the CL stacks, because EV is a wizard spell. However, just as Kingpriest's shouldn't improve the CL of EC, there would be no expectation for the Dabbler's ego to improve the CL of a theurge's cleric spells, either.

[simpetar]

Working as intended, I believe. Base theurge CL is "wizard + cleric + LLs -1". Extra sources of CL are extra, there is no reason why CL ego from 1 class should increase CL for the other one as well, that would be little overpowered. Still, if you buff with SP arti / soul jar active, you get full CL even for higher levels, i.e. Premonition (needs 60 for +16 soak, the robes don't cover that), and as a bonus, also higher spell pen for Battletide.

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Chirality your reply makes sense. Thanks for that distinction. Agree. Nice to know the dabblers does it too. So what I was asking for works, just gotta use the right ego.