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Post by jelricle on Apr 7, 2022 3:59:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2022 4:45:30 GMT
They're the exact same item and do the exact same thing. Different names reflecting the different timelines on implementation.
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Post by chainlink on Apr 7, 2022 7:31:47 GMT
After historic discussions about this Monograph it is the main reason the Augment Extraction one was created, all monographs are BUR quality loot although in terms of actual value the order probably is in terms of lowest value first (bearing in mind this is somewhat subjective depending on what you need to fix/change) -
Augment Destruction < Property Removal < Armor Restoration < Property Restoration < Augment Extraction (no image in the wiki as it was added after the discussion mentioned above) < Reconfiguration = Item Normalization.
The Reconfiguration & Item Normalization monographs currently hold considerable value as they are (until relevant secrets get added to the game) the ONLY way of resetting xR loot.
If you find these do NOT use them on BUR items (all BURs have secrets you can use to replicate the monograph functionality) as you will likely be able to trade for considerable benefit to people who want to fix broken xRs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2022 13:39:08 GMT
To that end, Augment Extraction books are the only way to pull augs out of XRs and as such also hold significant value. Again, this also depends on the audience but given that multiple ways exist to manipulate BUR items the value these three books collectively have for XR users is sky high.
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Post by chainlink on Apr 7, 2022 14:01:23 GMT
Probably not at the value of the other two imo as in 99% of cases you will be happy to trash the aug on an xR so that you can apply a more appropriate one whereas if its one of the uber xR items with a sub-par randomization you are going to burn Normalization/Reconfiguration books until you make it better
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2022 20:29:07 GMT
I’d say it’s equivalent. For how much gold is needed for some of the augs these days it’s way faster to grind canopics than gold for sums needed to purchase the top tier augs. If you need a daze aug grinding 25 billion to 50 billion would take exponentially longer than it would to find another like base barring armor from the equation with the size of the pool.
Finite number of books also keeps it in check that rolling new items is a better rate than depending on books to save them in most cases.
Ultimately it boils down to the individual player need. Canopies are overall way easier to acquire than asinine sums of gold though.
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Post by boroie on Apr 7, 2022 20:48:37 GMT
They both do the same but one is a BUR drop and one is an UR drop. Different drop rates but same effect.
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Post by jelricle on Apr 7, 2022 23:01:29 GMT
So why are they always selling (and being bought) for a diff of 10MM? Destruction monographs in the chest are for 65MM, and they disappear, even when a 55MM weave is there!
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Post by KnightErrant on Apr 7, 2022 23:20:53 GMT
afaik the book version was removed a year? ago from the loot tables and no longer drops.
Some people like to have items that have been removed from the game for nostalgia/history/completeness.
I know someone traded big for one of the Horrolodges(sp?) of Undoing years ago even tho it still does nothing after 10 years and is 99.9% likely to never do anything.
KE.
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Post by boroie on Apr 8, 2022 7:04:26 GMT
I know someone traded big for one of the Horrolodges(sp?) of Undoing years ago even tho it still does nothing after 10 years and is 99.9% likely to never do anything. I never knew one of those ever dropped! But as a purchaser of one of KEs books, thats pretty much it. Bought it just to have it tbh, not to use it. |
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Post by KnightErrant on Apr 8, 2022 21:33:40 GMT
Think there are three? out there but guessing those players haven't logged in for years.
KE.
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Post by jelricle on Apr 9, 2022 4:21:18 GMT
I know someone traded big for one of the Horrolodges(sp?) of Undoing years ago even tho it still does nothing after 10 years and is 99.9% likely to never do anything. KE. Aw, dude, you gotta remember us newbs when you make a post like that! I did finally track down the horologe page. |
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Post by chirality on Apr 9, 2022 5:58:53 GMT
If it ever actually was on the loot table, I don't think it was there for very long. The run dropped in September 2008 and I am fairly certain that no horologe appeared ingame after 2009.
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Post by KnightErrant on Apr 9, 2022 12:30:31 GMT
The 5% miniboss that dropped it was removed pretty quickly less than a year sounds correct. In my memory he appeared three time so there's three of them sitting in vaults somewhere unless they got blown u by accident.
KE.
Maybe someday with approval when everyone's playing nice I'll spawn him on a run so some newer players can at least fight him for giggles.
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Post by boroie on Apr 9, 2022 16:39:38 GMT
Maybe someday with approval when everyone's playing nice I'll spawn him on a run so some newer players can at least fight him for giggles. On a sissy or thids run perhaps  |
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