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Post by drunkenboastor on Jun 4, 2022 21:48:14 GMT
One minor note, elf -2 constitution is removed while shifted.
For searching legendary runs that drop crafting secrets, a 43 base skill, with +50 from gear and embroidered augment for the skill focus, is enough to find them all. I believe that the highest is PoM at 120 dc. Only need higher base search for ely, abos and hells+.
One other note about dc that exceeds 127. The numbers go 125, 126, 127, 0 (128), 1 (129), 2 (130), 3 (131)....
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Post by boroie on Jun 5, 2022 20:29:29 GMT
Outsider doesn't deserve anything past LFFO1, unless you are going for Leonal tank. Not one Outsider form has any meaningful DC based ability that warrants going past LFFO1. Reflex saves for Azer fire beam, fire pulse, and Modron beam trap are affected. While Rak form is based on caster level and Death slaad is based on pseudotouch attack. Modron stun/beam, Azer pulse/beam are based on the shifter DC calc which uses +3 per Foci for DC. Losing potentially up to 50% damage on these attacks (due to more regular saves being made) seems meaningful to me. At 80 a shifter should have ~59-60 DC on those abilities, wisdom dependent so losing 6-8 DC is huge. |
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Post by chirality on Jun 5, 2022 22:40:33 GMT
Fire beam and pulse are save for 1/2, while laser beam save is for full damage or zero damage. (In other words, it's actually even more tangible than just 50% damage, when including beam trap as well).
Having higher dc on azer pulse and modron beam is primarily important for abo. Unless you are making an abo farmer, dragon is superior anyway. If you are making an abo farmer, para outsider is an easy choice for maximizing damage on fire pulse and laser beam.
edit: lolz, totally forgot about azer nerf...but anyway, you'd prolly get more mileage out of dragon than outsider for soloing LLs.
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