More Brainstorming

[DragonChyld]

More Brainstorming.

I have a lot of time on my hands during my workday to just think… So here are some more server ideas I have come up with. Feel free to pick and choose as you want, or if you don’t like any, that’s cool too. I have fun just trying to come up with Ideas.

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QuasiClass Idea: True Cleric of Mystra

The True Cleric of Mystra is one who rises above his brethren in Devotion to the Goddess of magic. Mystra often smiles upon these souls and grants them a small degree of Arcane power as a sign of her favor.

Requirments: 12 levels of Cleric and 6 levels of Sorcerer By level 21, also must take Magic as a Clerical domain.

Benefits:
-For most Divine spells, casterlevels and Spell penetration are equal to Cleric level + (Sorcerer level/3)
-For certain Divine spells, casterlevel = Cleric level + Sorcerer level. Those spells include:

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1
-Magic Weapon
-Protection from Alignment
-Scare
-Summon Creature I
2
-Bull's Strength
-Cat's Grace
-Darkness
-Eagle’s Splendor
-Endurance
-Fox’s Cunning
-Lesser Dispel
-Owl’s Wisdom
-Resist Elements
-Summon Creature II
-Negative Energy Ray
3
-Animate Dead
-Bestow Curse
-Clarity
-Continual Flame
-Dispel Magic
-Magic circle against alignment
-Protection from Elements
-Summon Creature III
4
-Greater Magic Weapon
-Summon Creature IV
5
-Summon Creature V
-True Seeing
6
-Banishment
-Create Undead
-Greater Dispelling
-Greater Sanctuary
-Summon Creature VI
7
-Summon Creature VII
8
-Summon Creature VIII
9
-Energy Drain
-Summon Creature IV
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Basically the spells that are shared by both classes are cast at the level given by the Cleric class (IE Greater Sanctuary is 6th level Cleric, 8th level Sorc, cast as Cleric) and are cast counting both Cleric and Sorc levels.


Subrace Ideas.

Elves
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"Half-Dragon - Copper" - requires Elf (adds wings)
CHR +2, INT +1, WIS -2 65% immune acid, 150% vulnerable electrical

"Half-Dragon - Bronze" - requires Elf (adds wings)
CHR +2, WIS +1, INT -2, 65% immune electrical, 150% vulnerable acid

"Half-Dragon - Brass" - requires Elf (adds wings)
CHR +2, DEX +1, CON -2, 65% immune fire, 150% vulnerable cold

"Platinum" (secret subrace) - requires Elf (adds wings)
CHA +2, STR +2, DEX -1, INT +2, 25% immune fire, 25% immune cold, 25% immune acid, 25% immune electrical, 25% vulnerable sonic

"Half-Dragon - Gold" - requires Elf (adds wings)
CHR +2, STR +1, DEX -2, 65% immune fire, 150% vulnerable cold

"Half-Dragon - Silver" - requires Elf (adds wings)
CHR +2, CON +1, STR -1 WIS -1, 65% immune cold, 150% vulnerable fire

Half-Orcs
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“Irda” (secret subrace) –Requires Half Orc (changes Appearance)
STR -2, DEX -1, CON -3, INT +4, CHA +4, Free Feat: Spell Focus Illusion, Free Feat: Spell Focus Enchantment.

Any Race
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“Half - Vampire” (secret UltraRare subrace) - no race requirement (changes Appearance)
STR +4, DEX +2, CON -3, WIS –2, INT –2, CHR +1, increased base movement rate - very fast, -4 to Attack rolls, -4 Dodge AC, and –4 to all saves while in sunlight.

“Ettin” (secret UltraRare subrace) - no race requirement (changes Appearance)
CON +4, STR +2, WIS –4, INT –4, CHR –4, increases character size to large, reduced base movement rate – slow, free feat: Weapon Focus Spear, free feat: Dual Wield (as per the ranger ability), free feat: Improved Two Weapon Fighting.


So, that’s how I spend my days… Enjoy

~ DC

[Dannecrot]

Quasiclass looks nice, I always thought a combo of sorc and cleric was really nice because of all the spells you get, but simply not worth the fact that you'd be much more powerful if you went up in one class. If this could even out the odds, it would be nice.

The extra Half-Dragons seem to be just more of what there is already. Last time I made a char and didn't have a set subrace in mind, I took a look at the boards and after a long search just decided to go plain Elf. I'm actually in favor of removing some of the subraces for cluttering reasons. I admit they're nice for diversity, but if no one takes them...

I like "Irda"'s spell focus feats, but with Half Orc's penalties to CHR and INT this wouldn't make a very powerful secret subrace, maybe just a plain subrace...

"Half - Vampire" is really cool, (though it could be just plain vampire) but those negatives in sunlight just make him unplayable. (you can't make it too awkward for people to play their chars) I think because he's UR you could take those off and maybe even add something cool like "domination gaze".

Ettin I like, but you could add some more things because he's UR: +5 spot/listen - because of both heads and maybe also Uncanny Dodge - can not be flanked.

Just my opinions, good work!

[DragonChyld]

Cool, thanks for your Imput, I was beginning to wonder if anybody even noticed this thread lol. As far as your subrace questions, I do have some explanations for why I made things the way they are.

The extra Half-Dragons seem to be just more of what there is already. Last time I made a char and didn't have a set subrace in mind, I took a look at the boards and after a long search just decided to go plain Elf. I'm actually in favor of removing some of the subraces for cluttering reasons. I admit they're nice for diversity, but if no one takes them...

I made the extra Half dragons for a couple of reasons, I will list the RPish type ones first, then The Server Logical ones.

~RPish~
1. I like being able to play a half dragon, I just think it sucks that all there are is the "Evil" versions, If your going by classic DnD Lore you are alot more likely to see the "good" Half Dragons in a realm

2. I have heard many peeps talking about getting the "prismatic" subrace to build a Pally with, and again my somewhat RPish mind recoils at that. The Prismatic is like the most Evil Dragon their is.... However being able to play the classic Snub Nosed I am better than you are Elf Pally, and combining that with the "plat" Half dragon seems alot more logical to me

~Server Logical~
1. With AA becoming such a popular Class to play I thought about playing one. And promply found out that there are (IMO) no real good "Base" elven or half elven subraces to play. I thought that adding some nice new Elven (or half elven if it makes more sense that way) Subraces would be awsome for Build Diversity. Perhaps it is not a big draw to some people like yourself. However I think that NWN history have proven the more Diversity that a server can offer, the more successful the server

2. The "Evil" HD are ALL STR based, meaning they all get a +2 STR, The "good" ones that I made are all CHR based, Plus, for the most part the stats do not match up on Immunities
((IE Brass, and Blue,
"Half-Dragon - Brass" - requires Elf (adds wings)
CHR +2, DEX +1, CON -2, 65% immune fire, 150% vulnerable cold ---
"Half-Dragon - Blue" - requires Human (adds wings)
STR +2, CHR +1, INT -2, 65% immune electrical, 150% vulnerable acid))
So it adds quite a bit of varaition while representing all of the "Classic" dragon Races.

Ok and this

I like "Irda"'s spell focus feats, but with Half Orc's penalties to CHR and INT this wouldn't make a very powerful secret subrace, maybe just a plain subrace...

I can see where you are going, but thru Trial and Error I believe I am learning more about what Funky looks for in Balancing on HG. (Could be completly wrong on that one though lol)

1. The Irda ARE Ogres so the Half Orc is the only suitable Base Race, PLUS the Half Orc base only has one secret Subrace. This SHOULD be a secret because the subrace DOES give you a -2 to STR, however the base race also gives you a +2, balancing out, Tha base Race gives you a -2 to CHA and INT, BUT you get a Plus 4, so when it all works out you get a +2 to CCaster stats and NO negative to STR add in the SF and this character could be a very powerfull Staffmaster or Bane Night build. But hey, maybe you are right, it might be underpowered for a secret.

and this

"Half - Vampire" is really cool, (though it could be just plain vampire) but those negatives in sunlight just make him unplayable. (you can't make it too awkward for people to play their chars) I think because he's UR you could take those off and maybe even add something cool like "domination gaze".

Again it is a question of balance, FIRST you are a half Vampire, so you Should get sunlight penaltys, second you are playing a "Any Race" Subrace, so you could take Half Orc and start with a 24 STR. Lastly this would be the only Subrace with "Very Fast" movment that is not small (I think) so you are not limited to medium weapons. I tried to make this SR comparable to the Lycan (Lycan can start with a Dex of 24 //Lycan = Dexers, HV for STR builds) However without the -4 to everything IN daylight I feel it is overpowered. Don't forget there are not a super lot of HG areas that are above ground, and those that are, tend to be daylight only 50% of the time


AS far as the Ettin goes, you might be right, the slow movment and BIG hits to the Brain stats are tough, as well as you cannot wear heavy armor without losing Dual Wield, might be a bit to underpowered for an UR.

Funky, your thoughts?

~ DC

[jctrapster]

Ettin seems overpowered, too many free weapon feats. Even if you don't use dual-wield (heavy armor) you still net Imp 2 weapon fighting for free. Perhaps if you locked it to a race it would be more balanced, but with the fighting stats boost, it seems too strong to me.

Then again, just about all of the Ultra-rare subraces seem overpowered, too "uber" to me .

[DragonChyld]

But Improved TWF does NOT help with the Attack Penalties. Wearing Heavy Armor, with Balanced Weapons (spears) you will get a -6 to each attack, And with a Light weapon ineach hand its a -4

[FunkySwerve]

The UR subs are too weak. Ask yourself what build would use them, when trying to design them..
Funky

[DragonChyld]

Any Race
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“Half - Vampire” (secret UltraRare subrace) - no race requirement (changes Appearance)
STR +4, DEX +2, CON -3, INT –2, CHR +1, increased base movement rate - very fast, -2 to Attack rolls while in sunlight.

“Ettin” (secret UltraRare subrace) - no race requirement (changes Appearance)
CON +4, STR +2, WIS –4, INT –4, CHR –4, increases character size to large, reduced base movement rate – slow, free feat: Weapon Focus Spear, free feat: Ambidexterity, Free Feat: Two Weapon Fighting, free feat: Improved Two Weapon Fighting. free Feat: Uncanny Dodge 1


There edited them a bit, also whats you thoughts on the other material presented Funky? I tried to make the QuasiClass as simple as possible (as you suggested) while incorperating 2 classes who are not often played together.

And the other Subraces I presented?