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Post by thedomicron on Nov 27, 2006 7:54:32 GMT
would it be too unfair to let strengthies get the dev crit feat? i understand assassins can be str based and still get the dev crit feat, but imo a str based assassin is currently not viable as a build option because of the wraith subbie loses one dc on the fort save vs dexers also, the only 18-20 weapons available are also finessable and added to the higher ac of dex based builds, give no advantages to str based chars.
right now, because of the scabbard system, there is no advantage to making a char which uses a weapon other than rapier or kukri (for the large crit range)weapons with a 19-20 starting crit range end up with
allowing assassins to take the dev crit feat with 30 base str and 29 levels of assassin (to limit it to pre-legendary) would open up options and build variety. to prevent strengthies from using rapiers and kukris for way overpowered builds, couldn't you just disable the individual dev crit: rapier and kukri?
just an idea
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Post by chainlink on Nov 27, 2006 9:35:10 GMT
You forgot the Scimitar, which you can't Finesse.
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Post by thedomicron on Nov 27, 2006 9:48:54 GMT
that's true, but that's sort of beside the point. i'm looking at 2 handed weapons, unarmed attacks.
the difference between a str sin usingscim versus a dex sin using rapier is negligable dmg increase for a loss of one dc.
if you deviate from the wraith based, rogue/wm/assassin, your chance of landing a dev crit drops from ~30% to ~16%
i can understand limiting dev crits to assassins, but maybe a separate scabbard for str based builds would be in order to make them more viable. i understand there has to be balance, but right now the drop off of 15% chance of landing a dev, before applying the fort save, is not worth it for str based chars
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Post by FunkySwerve on Nov 27, 2006 9:57:23 GMT
This belongs in the class ability changesd suggestions thread in the appropriate forum. Funky
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Post by thedomicron on Nov 27, 2006 10:54:42 GMT
ok i'll try to shorten it a bit and repost
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Post by chainlink on Nov 27, 2006 11:19:10 GMT
There's a Falchion two hander in NWN2 with an 18-20 crit range.
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Post by wnxthomo on Nov 30, 2006 15:51:50 GMT
quite a few servers (including WNxLegion) dont use dev crit as it can be seen as biased... i dont think it is if the other classes are properly balanced out. But there again im not sure HG would do well with dev crit unless u limited it to over say level 50ish because do you really want level 32's killing everyhting in site before they get the crown?
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Post by azrael on Nov 30, 2006 16:50:18 GMT
Str based assassins used to get dev crit and it was taken away, I assume because it was overpowered. I grouped with one or 2 and it seemed overpowered to me, drow were dropping like flies. So overpowered that I immediatley decided to make one myself , but alas I took a break from HG and when I came back they had been nerfed.
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Post by lala on Dec 1, 2006 2:18:04 GMT
Sorry but I am really against this sort of boost for Str builds. These type of benefits should be afforded to classes, which is why its great Assassins can get Dev Crit.
What Str builds should benefit from are gear that dexers would not use.
Current good examples of this are the static Implode immunity medium and full plate armour. These are really handy in desert and certain fugue areas like sssith.
Maybe for certain STR gear more feats to assist in getting overwhelming critical... Might not be possible but things that can give a str the edge that doesnt take away from the diversity we now have with classes and quasi-classes.
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Post by gruntgruntson on Dec 1, 2006 2:43:47 GMT
From the Book Of Changes:
"Deadly Attacks:
Both STR-based and DEX-based assassins may gain the ability to do killing blows.
-At level 30, an assassin with a total strength or dexterity of 42 (base plus up to +12 from items) can acquire a scabbard that lets them 'hone' weapons,"
Am I missing something? DEX or STR based assassins can get Deadly Attack, according to the book. Are you talking about opening it up to ANY STR-based character? Are assassin STR builds no good?
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Post by FunkySwerve on Dec 1, 2006 3:03:58 GMT
Assassin strength dev crit used to be the real dev crit, and was just too overpowered. The parity version favors dex builds at present, though str builds should be faring better, soon enough, which is why we havent bumped the str version. Funky
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Post by thedomicron on Dec 1, 2006 7:25:41 GMT
do you mean that str builds will benefit from the bur subraces? or is there an upgrade coming to the assassin class which will benefit them? or do you mean that str builds in general will be doing better?
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Post by FunkySwerve on Dec 1, 2006 15:55:56 GMT
In general. Funky
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Post by azrael on Dec 1, 2006 16:22:30 GMT
I'm gonna speculate here, my guess is the hells are gonna be absolutely brutal on casters and dexers and such. Kind of like the pyramids, where it is nice to have 3 or 4 well built str tanks around to soak up damage and bash stuff because dexers and casters can barely hurt em.
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