Legendary Saves suggestion

[lala]

I always thought Legendary Saves existed until I recently looked.
As I couldnt find any, here are a couple of ideas that would work well:
There would be 3 legendary saves, 1 for each type.

Idea 1
Requirements - None
When selected the feat adds +6 to the specific save, however if the character has either (not both) of the pre-20 or epic relevant save feat this increases to +8.

Idea 2
Requirements - Either (but does not need both) of the relevant pre-20 or epic save.
When selected the feat adds +8 to the relevant save.


Either provides a nice balance, the 1st idea because without the other save its only +6.
The latter because it requires more feat selections, for most builds that means spending 6 feats to gain good saves.
Increasing the requirement to both pre-20 and epic save would be too expensive as that means 9 feats used for an extra +8 (to cover the 3 save types).

Hope the team likes the idea.
Lala

[dodrudon]

That might be a little too powerful for classes with weak saves. I consider strong/weak saves a class feature, so monks' super-good saves is a bonus of the class, while a mage's weak saves are also a feature of that class.

[FunkySwerve]

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[lala]

dodrudon said:

That might be a little too powerful for classes with weak saves. I consider strong/weak saves a class feature, so monks' super-good saves is a bonus of the class, while a mage's weak saves are also a feature of that class.

Try the hells and your views will change ;D

[lala]

Thx for the link as well Funky, not sure how I missed that and kinda funny how we both are thinking about it now

As a discussion point, +6 does work better than the +8 I suggested, but it would be nice if it needed either the pre-20 or epic feat, not both.
Thats still 6 feats for a of non-dex builds to cover the 3 types and thats nearly a whole set of incremental feats (which is 7).

Thx
Lala

[archmage]

Mages? my mage has 79/77/82, thats not weak.

[dodrudon]

I meant save progressions :/

If that's the case, I like the idea of limiting the save feats to level 54 and above (or something similar), otherwise it would (maybe) unbalance the easier runs.

[lala]

archmage said:

Mages? my mage has 79/77/82, thats not weak.

Sorc with splash Pali/BG by any chance?

Taking epic save with natural stats around 24 you still cannot get much above 65 even if the base save is very strong (say 12-13) without Pali or BG.