Could we get some official list of who is in what guild? Not a voluntarily posted one, but something we can all see that is continually updated. Used to be there membership would show up on the player list. Now half the time I hear...guild such and such and I think....who? when did that group come along?.... There's always the (insert name here thing), but not everyone has that and that doesn't give you a sense of what kind of people a group takes into their ranks because they're rarely on all at one time. I don't really like helping groups that harbor known idiots, so it would be nice to know who is in what group....
Likewise, it is important to draw a distinction between the 'players' and the 'characters in a guild'.
If a character does not have a Guild Token then they are not part of a guild yet! Their name can be [EO] [Apoc] [HC] [STD] whatever but if they don't have a token (viewable by your own token) then they are not subject to Guild conflicts. Even if you know a player account has toons in a guild, if the current character they are playing is not part of a guild they are *not* subject to guild conflict.
Likewise, be wary of the party a guild character is with. I'd advise us all, in order not to have too much collateral damage, if a guild character seems to be around or in a party with several non-Guild toons avoid altercations such as loot and spawn stealing. That is hurting non-guilders who didn't sign up for the conflict. Otherwise, groups will stop partying with any one in a guild for fear of being swept up in a conflict.
I think membership lists should be public knowledge. I feel I have a right to know whats going on around me. Thats the bottom line. What I choose to do with that information is my business. It doesn't have to be all negative. I may very well help out new players who I know belong to a well run group with high standards as to who they take in. It goes both ways.
I have been playing for a while now and I can't tell you who half the leaders are on dock guild list never mind which players are in what group. Far as I can tell 80% of the guilds are defunct/inactive and the large majority of the others are loose associations of new players. What if I wanted to join a group? It has crossed my mind.... but half the time the leaders are inactive while the core may still be playing. But who would know! Most of the groups have no public information as to what they are about, so at the very least I should be able to look a list of the players.
Regardless of what you point to now as your reasoning, your initial post gives your intention - "don't really like helping groups that harbor known idiots."
You go on to state your planning on joining a guild. Since your initial intention was to use this to exclude people to group with, aren't you concerned when the shoe is on the other foot that it might be used against you and your prospective guild? What happens if the idiot is in your guild? Should I use the list to not group with you?
Of course I shouldn't. As a member you cannot be held responsible who is in your guild, and you shouldn't get on someones blacklist or risk exclusion because you joined a guild. Theres easier ways for you to find guild information, and I disagree its your right to know if that information is going to hurt other people.
I am the head of Nosce Te Ipsum and i am very active on the server i may not run the toon that is listed as the Guild head but i am on. I don't think there should be list of guild members. Mainly and even tho it has not happened in awhile if there is a guild war it is way to easy to locate a guild member on either side if the list is in the scry and a public list could open up harassment to the guild head and/or members from people looking to get in to a guild. personally i am very selective about who i let in my guild.
I have to agree with bondo here 100%. My guild is simply a group of friends that party with eachother almost all of the time while playing on HG. Not that im saying we are negitive to newcomers, just we are very selective about who we let join.
Personally I don't care if anybody blacklists me. In fact there was a player who did that to me when I was new and stirred up all kinds of trouble for me and a few others. Basically he's gone, I'm still here, and I can't say I've heard from anyone that misses him. I certainly don't. I can do every area of the game when ever I want so blacklist away . Besides I am actually one of the few players that takes newbies through the harder areas (sometimes dragging their dead corpses behind me), and I'm one of the few players who will randomly invite people who I casually play with on major runs. I'm not an elitist. Bah people are blowing this out of proportion. Basically before the server lists got "neatened" up that information was widely known by all. Nobody got hurt, mangled, or harassed during this time. Seriously people.
Should hostilities ever erupt between guilds, non-guild players will want to avoid any chance that the party they are with is subject to Loot/spawn stealing, collateral damage from aoes, etc.
I suggest an 'Unaffiliated' token using the same functionality as the guild tokens to reveal who is in what guild as it is not always evident (and potentially misleading) by the character name. Those possessing Unaffiliated tokens show up as 'Unaffiliated' in the list of who is in what guild. Unlike, guild tokens, these Unaffiliated tokens can be dropped/trashed should that character join a guild later on. Just trying to give HG players the knowledge to base their decisions on (for whatever reasons they may have).
IShould hostilities ever erupt between guilds, non-guild players will want to avoid any chance that the party they are with is subject to Loot/spawn stealing, collateral damage from aoes, etc.
3.) Consequences of Guild Membership a. You open yourself up to forms of behavior not normally tolerated on Higher Ground, including: i. Stealing of loot from areas you are clearing by other guilds ii. Stealing of spawns by other guilds in areas you are clearing iii. Hostile interference in battle, designed to throw the outcome of the battle in the monsters favor. This does NOT include targeting spells at players, which amounts to PvP. It DOES include laying traps and casting area of effects spells, so long as they do not affect the intended victim immediately. You may, for instance, block a route of escape with Blade Barriers, but you may not cast them directly under your victim. The same goes for non-damaging spells such as Grease and Mind Fog. You can cast these spells where they will cause difficulty for your victim, but not in a place where they will be immediately effected by them. Even nondamaging spells like Bigby's Interposing Hand may not be cast directly on your victim, unless you are at war with their guild (this counts as full PvP). iv. Any other forms of nastiness HG players can devise, short of full PvP. This includes pickpocketing, which is allowed regardless of the guild status of the victim. We know we have some devious souls here, and expect to see some creative tactics. v. Full PvP, but only if a guild war has been officially declared between your guild and another guild or guilds, per the guidelines for declaring guild wars set out in Rule 4. [glow=red,2,300]vi. Do not under any circumstances use tactics like these on non-guild members. Punishment will be swift and certain.[/glow] b. You are able to engage in the same behavior against members of other guilds. c. You get access to a custom guildhouse, with teleportation magic and a replenishing stock of healing potions and teleportation gems.
I could always just start my own guild and get everyone who wants a token a token. I'll call it Bankers of HG and it will be run by run by my bank Banki Bankinson. It will have two membership requirements.
1.) Membership is restricted to Bank characters no greater than level 3 2.) Must you be able to speak intelligible English
Membership will be free. I will eat the full cost of the guild creation . There's no PvP risk for anyone to join since nobody's character will ever venture out of town. I'll draw up the plans later and post it in the appropriate forums.