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Post by diemex on Oct 19, 2007 5:06:52 GMT
Most AA builds I have seen are UR -Yukio or a secret subbie, but in my opinion LYCAN makes a much better AA.
This is the AA build I would prefer.
ELF "Lycan" +6 DEX -2 CHA Fast, Dodge, Impr. Init, +4 regen, 10% vuln Peirce
STR/DEX/CON/WIS/INT/CHA (after subrace effects)
8/24/16/8/12/6 (All stat gains go to DEX)
Levels : 1 WIZ, 2-9 Ro, 10-19 AA, 20/21 Ro, 22/26 AA, 27 Ro, 28-39 AA, 40 Ro
Pre Epic Feats :
Strong Soul
Point Blank Shot
Rapid Shot
Weapon Focus Longbow
Improved Critical Longbow
Toughness
Blind Fight
Epic feats:
Epic Weapon Focus Longbow
Improved Evasion
Armor Skin
Epic Prowess
Great Dexterity 1
Self Concealment 1
GDEX 2
SC 2
GDEX 3
SC 3
GDEX 4
SC 4
Legendary Feats
SC 5
Legendary Hardened Soul
Legendary Weapon Focus
GDEX 5/6/7/8
Naked 40 stats
AB @ 40 naked = 58 (w store bought +12 AA bow = 70)
452 HP, Fort 24 Will 18 Rflx 37
AB @ 60 (w +12 DEX boost w +14 Bow) = 97 AB
Skills you can max Craft Armor, Hide, Parry, Spot, Tumble, Umd.
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Post by chirikov on Oct 19, 2007 5:14:34 GMT
erm, lycan has a vulnerability to piercing, not immunity
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Post by diemex on Oct 19, 2007 5:31:33 GMT
erm, lycan has a vulnerability to piercing, not immunity lol... dunno why I had IMM there.... I think there was discussion that this was being considered for reduction... but anyhow the idea is to not get hit. High AC + Epic Dodge + 50% conceal + Uncanny. A Peirce critical hit could be bad... but you shouldnt be tanking with an AA anyhow. |
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Post by chirikov on Oct 19, 2007 6:00:01 GMT
according to subrace board, its been reduced to 10%
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Post by Terankar on Oct 19, 2007 10:09:21 GMT
Your level split seems odd to me. I would change the mix to 29aa/10rog/1wi. That would gain 1 feat and extra AB from AA. I'm uncertain if you have taken 12 rog for something else?? otherwise it would lose you a few skill points and 1d6 sneak. The extra AB seems to be a good investment compared to a measly 1d6 sneak.
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Post by fragment on Oct 19, 2007 10:46:34 GMT
Nobody used Lycan to build anything because the 25% piercing vulnerability hurt a lot even pre-hells. 10% is less of a problem.
Your build, you are practically replacing the monk levels on a flurry with rogue levels, gaining a few sneak attacks, and losing saving throws and AC - when both saving throws and AC are problematic on flurries already. Your saving throws at 60 would be
Fort: 24 + 5 + 31 = 60
Will: 18 + 5 + 31 = 54
Especially the will save is not high enough. The replacement build for flurries on this forum even uses great wisdom feats to get more AC. If you need a feat consider the LWF as your AB is pretty high already.
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Post by diemex on Oct 19, 2007 11:51:46 GMT
The rogue levels have to stay as is or the build breaks down.
The first 10 levels get me Improved Evasion which is required for Self Conceal. R11 is needed to top up my hide to 30 for self conceal. R12 taken at 40 to top up tumble/umd. So there is an AB sacrifice but I think its worth it to get 5 SC before LL.
I know the saves could use help. I could ditch LWF and take Epic Will.
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Post by fragment on Oct 19, 2007 14:42:09 GMT
So there is an AB sacrifice but I think its worth it to get 5 SC before LL. Spoken as generally as you did, I'd rather say that nothing is worth jeopardizing viability at level 60 in any way. This is only true if you do not intend to powerlevel through pre-LL levels and early legendary levels anyway, and do not ever hope to see hells. But then, a control-class archer might not be the best choice for a character, when you build to explore the mod, and an archer build designed purely for pre-legendary levels could look very different as well. Sneak attacks? Strength? This gets me thinking  "Normal" archers aren't expected to do much until they get their hands on DB bows, and they are quite squishy in legendary levels until their 50s. The only thing that lowbie archers can do is to actually hit things when other characters can't anymore, so they have a low, but constant and reliable damage output. Anyway, what early SC does is to reduce the low legendary squishyness a bit, at the price of some AC (compared to the similar monk build), which will make the character all the more squishy in high-legendary areas. You'll be looking at roundabout 117 AC in URs, 50% conceal at level 60, no immunities to speak of, no crit immunity. |
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Post by ocath on Oct 19, 2007 18:49:22 GMT
I actually have a Lycan AA that I have been playing for sometime now, even prior to the piercing damage reduction. I absolutely love playing this toon, though he is still squishy(less so if I stop trying to be a tank).
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Post by chainlink on Oct 19, 2007 19:31:35 GMT
The rogue levels have to stay as is or the build breaks down. The first 10 levels get me Improved Evasion which is required for Self Conceal. R11 is needed to top up my hide to 30 for self conceal. R12 taken at 40 to top up tumble/umd. So there is an AB sacrifice but I think its worth it to get 5 SC before LL. I know the saves could use help. I could ditch LWF and take Epic Will. Arcane archers get hide as a class skill so the 11th rogue level is not required. |
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Post by diemex on Oct 19, 2007 21:25:49 GMT
Arcane archers get hide as a class skill so the 11th rogue level is not required. Hmmm I think I know what I did.... I probably wanted to bump tumble to 30 ... but I fogot that you really only need 1 to get SC. |
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