lisa
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Post by lisa on Jan 6, 2008 14:58:19 GMT
Human Baseborn titan Lawful good (+5 str and +2 cha free feat extra smiting)
At lvl 1 12 str ( 17 ) 13 dex 12 con 13 int 14 wis 14 cha ( 16 )
Feats : Power attack Cleave Greater cleave Divine shield Dodge Mobility Spring attack Whirlwind Weapon focus Light flail Improved critical Light flail Superior weapon focus Epic weapon focus Light flail Expertise Great Charisma 3 Greater smiting 6 Weapon of choice Light flail
Skills: Maxed Craft armor Maxed Disiciple 4 Intimidate Maxed Parry Maxed Taunt
I went first 12 lvl paladin, then 8 lvls wm.. after that everything in paladin. I took charisma feats/abilities to get 25 charisma when i hit lvl 20 so i could start taking the greater smiting. And after lvl 20 i put Ability points into strength, and then the greater smiting feats gets turned into Strength at altar at lvl 41. So im able to take overhelming and dev crit.
Now im lvl 45.. the next feats i want to take is 48 overhelming crit 51 dev crit 54 Imp exp ( or armor skin, havent decided yet ) 57 divine might 60 Legendary weapon focus
Now my char looks like this with items and self buffed. 735 hp ab 72/67/62/57 saves 62,62,59 Crit range 10-20x3 ( will be 10-20x4 after dev crit ) Abilities 42 str 25 dex 24 con 13 int 26 wis 38 cha
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Post by lisa on Jan 6, 2008 15:01:23 GMT
Will update thread when i hit lvl 60 Made this thread for Setha, he wanted to see how my char is built.. so here ya go mate ^^
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Post by uncanny on Jan 6, 2008 17:43:42 GMT
Might be missing something in the abilities book, but wondering why 8 levels of WM? No difference in AB (as they're both full ab classes), and I don't think WM gets anything important for 8 that you don't get for 7 levels. Makes room for a single level of rogue for umd/open lock/-tumble-/etc skill dump at the end, with no difference to pally level.
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Post by flay on Jan 6, 2008 17:57:45 GMT
With 13 int, 1 rogue and readjusting ability scores to get 14 int might be worthwhile for UMD.
Or 1 fighter instead of rogue for an extra feat (which can be taken in epic levels for an epic fighter feat).
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Post by MightyKhan on Jan 6, 2008 19:24:55 GMT
i would do 7 wm as uncanny suggested and leave out craft armor for a monk splash + tumble dump at level 37/38/39/40, instead of maxed craft armor if you do the fighter (or ranger, depending on feat choice and/or available gear) splash, taking epic prowess will result in 1 more AB and an additional point once you've chosen LWF. also, i suggest taking armor skin instead of imp exp, because your AB isn't that great. its basically AS+expertise vs imp expertise: +7 (of which 2 permanent) AC, -5 AB vs +10 AC, -10 AB. also, but i'm not sure of this: does the AC bonus from expertise count towards a cap? if so, and if it's the dodge bonus cap, i would definitely go AS, because you're already maxing out that bonus with divine shield. i hope this is of any help to you =)
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lisa
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Post by lisa on Jan 6, 2008 22:23:55 GMT
Thank you for the replies About why 8 lvls wm, is cause what i have heard that if im a melee and crossclass with something else, i need to take 4 lvls and 4 lvls, cause if i dont i loose AB no? Well that answers your question oh and yeah i took it offcourse for the crit multiplier that i get at lvl 5 wm. About taking 1 lvl rogue or monk at lvl 40 i wish that i have had done for the tumble skill. Now i find myself lacking ac. But what i dont get is that if i now made a pure Paladin, how on earth am i suppose to get 120-130 ac at lvl 60.. to be able to tank mobs :? I now have 100 ac.. and the divine shield i wish that i hadnt taken, cause it doesnt stack when maxing the ac from the armor. So the feat was rather useless now, it was good at lower lvls tho. But i will go lvl 60 thats for sure and try do hells with this char. What ya think, will i be good enough for doing hell twice?
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Post by flay on Jan 6, 2008 22:34:40 GMT
Ouch... you don't have Blooded. That will hurt your AC a lot. Blooded lets you take tumble as a class skill in legendary levels (after you pick the legendary skill affinity feat), allowing you to raise tumble to 60 and getting +12 AC from it.
The AB thing about not losing AB with multiples of 4 doesnt count if both the classes you take have full BAB like WM and paladin. Another thing to consider on pre-epic class spread is saves, which are sometimes more important in HG than AB.
You won't be doing much tanking in hells without tumble AC... However, if you take that character to hells, you wouldnt be the first meleer with low AC. You'll just have to be more careful. Though I wouldn't reccomend going too far in hells with this character. If you want, try the first few levels, get some BUR gear and subraces, see how the party dynamics are in hell, and you can decide what to do next. Keep in mind that other players may consider your character a liability to the group if you can't survive long enough to keep the baddies away from the squishies.
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Post by atomicsomething on Jan 6, 2008 23:07:21 GMT
As mentionned, your AC without LSA Tumble will be an issue. Your AB also, if i calculated right, it should be 92 buffed @60. It's enough to tank, even if Taunt will be really helpful. The real issue is the investement you're making to have the maximal crit range (Dev Crit and WM levels). Crits really works only if your AB follows ; i'm no expert in tanks but i would consider taking both Dev Crit and WM levels only if my final AB is over 95. Dumping either one will allow you : - to take LSA Tumble
- to take Epic Prowess for +2 AB
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Post by lisa on Jan 6, 2008 23:59:04 GMT
Okay.. well what about people making pure paladins.. how do they survive down there in the hells ? Since they dont have tumble aswell. And thx for the advice.. think i will try to forget about divine might and armor skin and take blooded and LSA tumble. Or what you think? the 20 tumble should give me 4 ac right ?
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Post by uncanny on Jan 7, 2008 0:21:00 GMT
you can get 30 tumble cross-class by the time you're lvl60. I'm not sure I would consider a pure class tank build, as the needs on HG are so diverse; you can't cover all bases, but at the very least I would try cover the general bases.
With UMD you get Greater Sanctuary scrolls, cross-class usage of special items, even cross-alignment (though that's more expensive). Even with LSA Tumble, you should still dump 43 points at lvl40 because those points will be lost on your first legendary level. Lastly.. if you manage to get in 2 rogue (or dump the umd and go 1 monk for tumble only), you get Evasion.. not worth crippling a build over, but still worth a little trouble.
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Post by gruntgruntson on Jan 7, 2008 0:31:58 GMT
Even with LSA Tumble, you should still dump 43 points at lvl40 because those points will be lost on your first legendary level. Is this still true? I thought I saw an update where they now carried over. Not sure tho ...
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lisa
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Post by lisa on Jan 7, 2008 1:00:31 GMT
Well guess im kinda screwed then.. cause im lvl 47 now. And i cant get delvled to lvl 39 again can i? or? Oh man.. all the time i put into this toon No idea to play this one anymore then.. cause i dont want a halfgimped toon.
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Post by Acaos on Jan 7, 2008 1:01:33 GMT
Skill points do carry over between regular and legendary levels.
Acaos
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Post by flay on Jan 7, 2008 9:32:35 GMT
Okay.. well what about people making pure paladins.. how do they survive down there in the hells ? Since they dont have tumble aswell. And thx for the advice.. think i will try to forget about divine might and armor skin and take blooded and LSA tumble. Or what you think? the 20 tumble should give me 4 ac right ? To clarify things, the Blooded feat (which can only be taken at first level) allows you to take the Legendary Skill Affinity (Tumble) feat in legendary levels. Your skill points carry over into legendary levels so there is no need to do a skill dump at 40 for tumble if you have Blooded. Taking 60 ranks in tumble at level 57 will get you +12 AC.
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Post by flay on Jan 7, 2008 9:35:25 GMT
Well guess im kinda screwed then.. cause im lvl 47 now. And i cant get delvled to lvl 39 again can i? or? Oh man.. all the time i put into this toon No idea to play this one anymore then.. cause i dont want a halfgimped toon. Everyone's first character was gimped. I'd reccomend you find subraces, find a build made by an experienced player on these forums, and make a new character.
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