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Post by PotsNPans on Jun 14, 2007 1:42:30 GMT
Heres another hypothetical question. If you made a cleric build for hells and did the normal cheese build with paladin and a what? Monk Or Bard? If you take monk your versatile in wearing robes with a nice ac no shield though. If you take bard you can get UMD which will let you cast TS which in the right situation can save the party especially with a cleric with miralce, aegis and the epic that gives 4 to AC(enchant focus). Knowing this wht would you take and are there any other issues between the two? Thanks for you responses ahead of time  |
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Post by dodrudon on Jun 14, 2007 2:08:27 GMT
Monk is for evasion, no robes/shield, cuz your ac sucks anyways and you need the DI
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Post by PotsNPans on Jun 15, 2007 19:19:18 GMT
Whats DI stand for?
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Post by bort on Jun 15, 2007 19:23:09 GMT
Damage Immunity.
Like DR stands for Damage Resistance.
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Post by PotsNPans on Jun 16, 2007 22:01:51 GMT
Ok so if you want DI then why would you take monk over bard, its a cleric build with one lvl of paladin and a choice of one lvl or bard or one lvl of monk. I even asked what you woud rather have evasion which is all monk is gonna give you since you want the hgiher ac and DI or bard that gives the same skills as monk and also UMD. So it comes down to having evasion or UMD.
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Post by dodrudon on Jun 17, 2007 0:50:24 GMT
I meant you'd want the monk for evasion, but you'd still wear fullplate and tower shield for the DI and other stuff on'em.
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Post by PotsNPans on Jun 23, 2007 3:46:08 GMT
Right but what im asking is what is better lvl in monk that gives evasion or a lvl inbard that gives umd, and the ablitiy to cast ts.
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Post by dodrudon on Jun 23, 2007 6:59:03 GMT
Let the mages cast TS. I'd go for the evasion.
Anyways, TS is very expensive to come by.
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Post by mescalino on Jun 23, 2007 9:26:51 GMT
Yes you need Dragon blood to scribe a TS scroll.
Take monk for evasion as stated above. I have tested robes/wis AC versus Full plate and Tower shield (using Penumbra Plate and Pentative shield) and you get more AC that way.
Monk is better because of evasion and though UMD is one of the best skills you'll find out the build can do without. Since there are quite a few dragons around with bad breath eveasion will be worth it more.
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Post by Tonkers on Jun 23, 2007 9:42:01 GMT
I'd go the monk level the evasion is handy you don't really need umd you will have enough spells as a cleric to contend with anyway plus once in tia onwards your gonna being using alot of healing circles , Gs and implodes to not even worry about anything else so will just be a waste getting umd Clerics are healers divine priests/priestesses not mages  |
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Post by ekstroem on Jun 23, 2007 10:27:01 GMT
Ok so if you want DI then why would you take monk over bard, its a cleric build with one lvl of paladin and a choice of one lvl or bard or one lvl of monk. I even asked what you woud rather have evasion which is all monk is gonna give you since you want the hgiher ac and DI or bard that gives the same skills as monk and also UMD. So it comes down to having evasion or UMD. I think evasion is nice to have but nowhere essential. After having made a number of high-level clerics I think choosing a splash class that can give UMD is a great idea. That will allow you to use scrolls and wands (clarity, gusts, TS, keen, ...) which can prove highly useful. Off course if you intend to use robes then monk is more or less the only way to go. There are a "lot" of druid builds going for 37 druid/1 pal/2 rogue to get both evasion and UMD. While you might not be interested in splashing with 2 levels of rogue as a cleric it is certainly an option. Clerics are killing machines with an extra feature that allows them to heal party members if needed. Cheers, Claus |
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Post by mescalino on Jun 23, 2007 11:41:52 GMT
Clerics are by design Healers. A lot of cleric spells are removing of all types of negative effects like poison, disease, curse, deaf/blindness and such. Another great deal of spells is to protect from certain effects with Negative Energy Protection the most usefull one and Undeaths eternal Foe. (if it wasn't for the nep pots clerics realy become more importand in parties). And not to forget all the healing spels from minor heal to mass heal.
Yes, They also have some nice offensive spells like inflict, destruction, Earthquake, Word of Faith, Implosion being the most populair.
Clerics are just as bards more of a completement to a party then real killing machines. Yes, both can be build to become a killing machine but it's not their original purpose.
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Post by cathedralmaster on Jun 23, 2007 16:35:05 GMT
Clerics are just as bards more of a completement to a party then real killing machines. Yes, both can be build to become a killing machine but it's not their original purpose. From my experience, the main purpose of clerics in the hells is to implode things - in other words, be a killing machine. It may not have been the orginal design of Bioware for Clerics to be so but then, how much of the mod is still similiar to what Bioware intended? |
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Post by FunkySwerve on Jun 23, 2007 16:35:42 GMT
Clerics are by design Healers. Whose design? Noone on this server's, I can assure you. Only recently did ANY healing aspect come back to the cleric and druid, with the introduction of the hells, and their offensive capabilities were not diminished at all in the process. Funky |
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Post by mescalino on Jun 24, 2007 0:58:31 GMT
By design i meant D&D.
Yes this server has trown everything around and a cleric does more then just implode in hell. Casting healing circle and massheal.
Im not saying that clerics canot be a killing machine as the most defenately can.
But implode only works good in hell if you have a bard cursing.
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