Post by chainlink on Mar 27, 2007 12:38:34 GMT
This is my final build after some re-thinks due to other folks feedback, the two extra AA levels give you +1 ab from enchant arrow V vs. the orginal. You will suffer the 20% exp penalty if you go this route but imo its worth it.
Long Range Rogue 2Bard/9AA/29Rog
Built on a Elf base then
"Erinyes" (secret Beyond UltraRare subrace) - no race requirement (Changes Appearance)
DEX +6, CON +2, WIS +4, CHA -2, free feat: Point Blank Shot, free feat: Rapid Shot, free feat: Weapon Focus Longbow, free feat: Epic Weapon Focus Longbow, able to walk on quicksand
Elf base gives you +2 to search and the ability to search on the move which can be handy.
Stats
STR 8
DEX 20 (26)
CON 14 (16)
INT 12
WIS 8 (12)
CHA 8 (6)
All Stat Points to Dex
Level progression
1 Rogue Luck of Heroes
2 Rogue
3 Rogue Toughness
4 Rogue
5 Rogue
6 Rogue Great Fortitude
7 Rogue
8 Rogue
9 Rogue Iron Will
10 Rogue Improved Evasion (rogue bonus feat)
11 Bard
12 Arcane Archer Improved Critical: Longbow
13 Arcane Archer
14 Arcane Archer
15 Arcane Archer Weapon Finesse?
16 Arcane Archer
17 Arcane Archer
18 Arcane Archer Blind Fight
19 Arcane Archer
20 Arcane Archer
21 Rogue Armor Skin
22 Rogue
23 Rogue Defensive Roll
24 Rogue Great Dexterity I
25 Rogue
26 Rogue Epic Dodge
27 Rogue Great Dexterity II
28 Rogue
29 Rogue Self Concealment I
30 Rogue Self Concealment II
31 Rogue
32 Rogue
33 Rogue Self Concealment III
34 Rogue Self Concealment IV
35 Rogue
36 Rogue Great Dexterity III
37 Rogue
38 Rogue Self Concealment V
39 Rogue Great Dexterity IV
40 Bard (max Discipline & Concentration)
41 LL
42 LL Epic Skill Focus Discipline
43 LL
44 LL
45 LL LL Will
46 LL
47 LL
48 LL LL Fortitude
49 LL
50 LL
51 LL Epic Skill Focus Disable Traps
52 LL
53 LL
54 LL Epic Skill Focus Search
55 LL
56 LL
57 LL LL Luck of Heroes
58 LL
59 LL
60 LL Epic Prowess
Base Dex of 54 by level 60 (including 4 bonus from rogue LL)
Skills
Max Tumble (until level 58), UMD, Search, Disable Traps, Open Locks, Set Trap 5 points (+2 synergy with DT), Pick Pocket 15 points, max Discipline and Concentration on bard levels
30 points Hide ASAP to get access to Self Concealment. You'll have a few spare points when you LL spend as you see fit, possibly lore and some appraise to id and get a decent price for loot?
Here's the orginal version using Wiz instead of AA no exp penalty but lower discipline and concentration slightly higher dex.
Long Range Rogue 1Wiz/7AA/32Rog
Built on a Elf base then
"Erinyes" (secret Beyond UltraRare subrace) - no race requirement (Changes Appearance)
DEX +6, CON +2, WIS +4, CHA -2, free feat: Point Blank Shot, free feat: Rapid Shot, free feat: Weapon Focus Longbow, free feat: Epic Weapon Focus Longbow, able to walk on quicksand
Stats
STR 8
DEX 20 (26)
CON 16
INT 12
WIS 8 (12)
CHA 8 (6)
All Stat Points to Dex
Level progression
1 Rogue Luck of Heroes
2 Rogue
3 Rogue Toughness
4 Rogue
5 Rogue
6 Rogue Great Fortitude
7 Rogue
8 Rogue
9 Rogue Iron Will
10 Rogue Improved Evasion (rogue bonus feat)
11 Wizard
12 Arcane Archer Improved Critical: Longbow
13 Arcane Archer
14 Arcane Archer
15 Arcane Archer Weapon Finesse?
16 Arcane Archer
17 Arcane Archer
18 Arcane Archer Blind Fight
19 Rogue
20 Rogue
21 Rogue Armor Skin, Defensive Roll
22 Rogue
23 Rogue
24 Rogue Great Dexterity I, Epic Dodge
25 Rogue
26 Rogue
27 Rogue Great Dexterity II, Self Concealment I
29 Rogue
30 Rogue Self Concealment II
31 Rogue
32 Rogue Self Concealment III
33 Rogue Great Dexterity III
34 Rogue
35 Rogue
36 Rogue Great Dexterity IV, Self Concealment IV
37 Rogue
38 Rogue
39 Rogue Self Concealment V
40 Rogue Great Dexterity V
41 LL
42 LL LL Luck of Heroes
43 LL
44 LL
45 LL LL Will
46 LL
47 LL
48 LL LL Fortitude
49 LL
50 LL
51 LL Epic Skill Focus Disable Traps
52 LL
53 LL
54 LL Epic Skill Focus Search
55 LL
56 LL
57 LL Epic Skill Focus Discipline
58 LL
59 LL
60 LL Great Dexterity VI
Base Dex of 56 by level 60 (including 4 bonus from rogue LL)
852 hps at 60 with stat boosts
Skills
Max Tumble (until level 58), UMD, Search, Disable Traps, Open Locks, Set Trap 5 points (+2 synergy with DT), Discipline, Pick Pocket 15 points
30 points Hide ASAP to get access to Self Concealment
Saves @60 (all bonuses included)
Fortitude 66
Will 63
Reflex 76
Pros
Very good saves
Improved Evasion so you generally take low or no damage from spells/effects with a reflex save
16D6 Sneak Attack
Very good ab with bow
OK ac which can be boosted significantly by swapping to weapon/shield combo if in a corner
Epic Dodge
Self Concealment V
Can open all stuff in the game (with the right gear)
Can get discipline to a half decent level with the right equipment
Good bab with a bow
Cons
Missing ac from not taking a Monk level
Not quite maxing Dex
Notes:
Reason I created this was that I’m sick of not being able to open nice chests in the Hells and having to port in a Rogue near the end (assuming anybody in the party has one with the tags required) is a bit tedious so I thought I’d try and create something that was playable without dragging/porting and AA builds seem to be useful throughout the Hells.
Not sure about the weapon finesse feat but I’m struggling to see another pre-epic feat with any value to the build, the only time you’d be likely to use a melee weapon is if you need to use a shield for some reason (implosion immunity, discipline improvement, etc.).
12/4/07 Edited to change primary build from Wiz to Bard.
16/7/07 With the addition of crit immunity to the parry skill I strongly suggest maxing this skill but as I'm not going to make another of these I'm not 100% sure how many points you have spare although if you dropped concentration and the other skills I spent points on you could probably manage it. Please note as its Dex based you'll get a nice boost to it as well.
Long Range Rogue 2Bard/9AA/29Rog
Built on a Elf base then
"Erinyes" (secret Beyond UltraRare subrace) - no race requirement (Changes Appearance)
DEX +6, CON +2, WIS +4, CHA -2, free feat: Point Blank Shot, free feat: Rapid Shot, free feat: Weapon Focus Longbow, free feat: Epic Weapon Focus Longbow, able to walk on quicksand
Elf base gives you +2 to search and the ability to search on the move which can be handy.
Stats
STR 8
DEX 20 (26)
CON 14 (16)
INT 12
WIS 8 (12)
CHA 8 (6)
All Stat Points to Dex
Level progression
1 Rogue Luck of Heroes
2 Rogue
3 Rogue Toughness
4 Rogue
5 Rogue
6 Rogue Great Fortitude
7 Rogue
8 Rogue
9 Rogue Iron Will
10 Rogue Improved Evasion (rogue bonus feat)
11 Bard
12 Arcane Archer Improved Critical: Longbow
13 Arcane Archer
14 Arcane Archer
15 Arcane Archer Weapon Finesse?
16 Arcane Archer
17 Arcane Archer
18 Arcane Archer Blind Fight
19 Arcane Archer
20 Arcane Archer
21 Rogue Armor Skin
22 Rogue
23 Rogue Defensive Roll
24 Rogue Great Dexterity I
25 Rogue
26 Rogue Epic Dodge
27 Rogue Great Dexterity II
28 Rogue
29 Rogue Self Concealment I
30 Rogue Self Concealment II
31 Rogue
32 Rogue
33 Rogue Self Concealment III
34 Rogue Self Concealment IV
35 Rogue
36 Rogue Great Dexterity III
37 Rogue
38 Rogue Self Concealment V
39 Rogue Great Dexterity IV
40 Bard (max Discipline & Concentration)
41 LL
42 LL Epic Skill Focus Discipline
43 LL
44 LL
45 LL LL Will
46 LL
47 LL
48 LL LL Fortitude
49 LL
50 LL
51 LL Epic Skill Focus Disable Traps
52 LL
53 LL
54 LL Epic Skill Focus Search
55 LL
56 LL
57 LL LL Luck of Heroes
58 LL
59 LL
60 LL Epic Prowess
Base Dex of 54 by level 60 (including 4 bonus from rogue LL)
Skills
Max Tumble (until level 58), UMD, Search, Disable Traps, Open Locks, Set Trap 5 points (+2 synergy with DT), Pick Pocket 15 points, max Discipline and Concentration on bard levels
30 points Hide ASAP to get access to Self Concealment. You'll have a few spare points when you LL spend as you see fit, possibly lore and some appraise to id and get a decent price for loot?
Here's the orginal version using Wiz instead of AA no exp penalty but lower discipline and concentration slightly higher dex.
Long Range Rogue 1Wiz/7AA/32Rog
Built on a Elf base then
"Erinyes" (secret Beyond UltraRare subrace) - no race requirement (Changes Appearance)
DEX +6, CON +2, WIS +4, CHA -2, free feat: Point Blank Shot, free feat: Rapid Shot, free feat: Weapon Focus Longbow, free feat: Epic Weapon Focus Longbow, able to walk on quicksand
Stats
STR 8
DEX 20 (26)
CON 16
INT 12
WIS 8 (12)
CHA 8 (6)
All Stat Points to Dex
Level progression
1 Rogue Luck of Heroes
2 Rogue
3 Rogue Toughness
4 Rogue
5 Rogue
6 Rogue Great Fortitude
7 Rogue
8 Rogue
9 Rogue Iron Will
10 Rogue Improved Evasion (rogue bonus feat)
11 Wizard
12 Arcane Archer Improved Critical: Longbow
13 Arcane Archer
14 Arcane Archer
15 Arcane Archer Weapon Finesse?
16 Arcane Archer
17 Arcane Archer
18 Arcane Archer Blind Fight
19 Rogue
20 Rogue
21 Rogue Armor Skin, Defensive Roll
22 Rogue
23 Rogue
24 Rogue Great Dexterity I, Epic Dodge
25 Rogue
26 Rogue
27 Rogue Great Dexterity II, Self Concealment I
29 Rogue
30 Rogue Self Concealment II
31 Rogue
32 Rogue Self Concealment III
33 Rogue Great Dexterity III
34 Rogue
35 Rogue
36 Rogue Great Dexterity IV, Self Concealment IV
37 Rogue
38 Rogue
39 Rogue Self Concealment V
40 Rogue Great Dexterity V
41 LL
42 LL LL Luck of Heroes
43 LL
44 LL
45 LL LL Will
46 LL
47 LL
48 LL LL Fortitude
49 LL
50 LL
51 LL Epic Skill Focus Disable Traps
52 LL
53 LL
54 LL Epic Skill Focus Search
55 LL
56 LL
57 LL Epic Skill Focus Discipline
58 LL
59 LL
60 LL Great Dexterity VI
Base Dex of 56 by level 60 (including 4 bonus from rogue LL)
852 hps at 60 with stat boosts
Skills
Max Tumble (until level 58), UMD, Search, Disable Traps, Open Locks, Set Trap 5 points (+2 synergy with DT), Discipline, Pick Pocket 15 points
30 points Hide ASAP to get access to Self Concealment
Saves @60 (all bonuses included)
Fortitude 66
Will 63
Reflex 76
Pros
Very good saves
Improved Evasion so you generally take low or no damage from spells/effects with a reflex save
16D6 Sneak Attack
Very good ab with bow
OK ac which can be boosted significantly by swapping to weapon/shield combo if in a corner
Epic Dodge
Self Concealment V
Can open all stuff in the game (with the right gear)
Can get discipline to a half decent level with the right equipment
Good bab with a bow
Cons
Missing ac from not taking a Monk level
Not quite maxing Dex
Notes:
Reason I created this was that I’m sick of not being able to open nice chests in the Hells and having to port in a Rogue near the end (assuming anybody in the party has one with the tags required) is a bit tedious so I thought I’d try and create something that was playable without dragging/porting and AA builds seem to be useful throughout the Hells.
Not sure about the weapon finesse feat but I’m struggling to see another pre-epic feat with any value to the build, the only time you’d be likely to use a melee weapon is if you need to use a shield for some reason (implosion immunity, discipline improvement, etc.).
12/4/07 Edited to change primary build from Wiz to Bard.
16/7/07 With the addition of crit immunity to the parry skill I strongly suggest maxing this skill but as I'm not going to make another of these I'm not 100% sure how many points you have spare although if you dropped concentration and the other skills I spent points on you could probably manage it. Please note as its Dex based you'll get a nice boost to it as well.