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Post by cataclysmic on May 10, 2007 13:52:27 GMT
Bloodfire Mage Sorc 18/RDD 21/Paladin 1 Human/Baseborn Titan OK I saw the new Quais Classes and immediately saw the potential for a mage that could actually do some damage in Meelee Combat and so off to the test chamber I went. Now I don't usually post me builds on here as I don't think they are that great but since this is a new Quasi Class I figure I'd give you all a chance to strip it down, tear it apart and improve upon it vastly hehe I aint got any BUR Subraces and not alot of UR Subraces to pick from so I chose Baseborn Titan for this build just for the +2 to STR and CHA. When I tested this guy and when I started building him I hadn't even thought of posting here so can only give ya the Stats at level 40. Nekked Stats at 40 are: STR 31 Dex 8 CON 14 INT 12 WIS 12 CHA 24 Feats: Armour Proficiency Light Medium and Heavy Darkvision Divine Grace Divine Health Draconic Armour Dragon Abilities Dragon Breath Empower Spell Epic Spell Focus Evocation Epic Spell Penetration Epic Spells Dragon Knight and Hellbal Epic Toughness 2 Extrend Spell Extra Smiting Greater Spell Penetration Hit Die (d10) Immune to Fire Immune to Paralysis Immune to Sleep Improved Crit Warhammer Lay on Hands Luck of Heroes Maximise Spell Resist Fire Energy Shield Proficiency Weapon Focus Warhammer I chose Warhammer as a weap simply because I haven't built a toon that used one yet lol. I plan on taking Epic Toughness 3 and maybe up to 7 to benefit from RDD bonuses, still not sure if gunna go for 7 or stay at 3. Needless to say the Paly level helps the saves quite a bit and also gives me Medium armour and Shield Proficiency for free. The saves are 32/23/33 nekked 59/52/59 fully geared and buffed so not too bad. Did a desert run with this guy at level 40 and he actually did ok. Now I ws worried about how he would do on Ssssy'is Run since his major casting abilities lie in his Firebrand spell and I only had about 14 MS at time (kinda awkward when ya fire spells don't work underwater) but I made her able to tank so I put away my staff and equipped my hammer and away I went. The bridge however was beautiful hehe. AB at 40 unbuffed is around 38, buffed with Tensers cast etc, ab is as follows Sardonic Staff 58 War's Fist (Level 29 Warhammer) 59 Add a plus 14 GMW onto that and away ya go. Obviously I will get no Epic with this build so I didn't waste time or feats trying to get other Spell Focuses, I might even swap it around when I rebuild it and use a Evocation book just to go from Greater to Epic Evocation and save another feat. I piled all my skills into Concentration, Discipline and Spellcraft which luckily are available as Class Skills to an RDD so can keep increasing em at LL Levels leaving me one skill point left over each level up to do what you want with. Mine is getting chucked into Lore. Fully Equiped with current gear I end up with 14 MS, 56 Firebrands and 3 Hellballs per rest. Fully equiped stats are: STR 43 DEX 20 CON 26 INT 12 WIS 18 CHA 37 AC is 98 but will improve with gear once I sort it out. The beauty of this build is it can cast like a mage and when you run out of spells you can whip out ya weap (Warhammer in my case) and start wailing on the bad guys with a decent ab and nice elemental damages(Staff aint got ne) till you can rest again and nething that hits you and isn't fire immune has some real nasty KB to deal with from ya Elemental Shield Ok thats it away ya go, rip it apart, strip it down tell me were I went wrong and do it in plain English so I can understand it and do me a rebuild hehe Cata ;D
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Post by starlandra on May 10, 2007 21:54:11 GMT
no idea how nice it will be in LL but it tore up lolth run pre immo pretty well. Dropped a matron really fast which is odd for a non immo to do there. Look forward to seeing further along.
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Post by the1kobra on May 10, 2007 23:38:54 GMT
Heh, I was working on an RDD primary melee Bloodfire character, but you seem to have it all worked out. The only thing I might change is the lvl distribution to 19/20/1, that way you get another 9th lvl sorc spell. (Mords is very useful, so would be MS, maybe TS too....) At any rate, its nice to have options, especially since you don't have to decide in the field.
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Post by spencer716900 on May 10, 2007 23:54:30 GMT
I was thinking melee when I saw this as well, but it looks to me like you went halvsies on some of the feats. If you spent some feats on Weapon Focus and Prowess, you could get higher AB at the cost of spell casting. All you really need is Tensers and some defense, similar to Staff Master. You would still get Hellball and a companion. Watching the Sabres in the playoffs tonight, but I will try to get some more detail on the melee build and post it. Thanks for confirming for me that this could make a killer melee!
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Post by Midnite [UE] on May 11, 2007 1:56:39 GMT
THIS BUILD SUCKS!!!! roflmmfao... There happy now? Some criticism. EverAers double-dared me too muwhahaha.. On a more serious note, its a pretty neat build so far. This is the only issue I can really see as of the moment.. If you decide to use a mage's staff your going to have to reset your spellbook anytime you haveto equip a melee weapon.. On alot of the runs time is not on your side.. Especially ring rest areas.. Go on a Tia run and run out of spells and equip your melee wpn and start pounding on stuff, then requip your staff and spend extra time redoing spells before finally being able to rest... Just a thought. Midnite Oh.. and this build doesnt suck, was just a joke.
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Post by cataclysmic on May 11, 2007 2:05:11 GMT
No no no hehe, I was think not of meelee but of both hence the halvies on the feats, she is primarily a caster but with the capability to meelee in a pinch. The reason I didn't go for an extra Sorc level for an extra 9th level spell is because I needed RDD to be my control class for the extra dc you get every 10 RDD levels (Including Legendary if your control class is RDD) Since my main spells will be MS and Firebrand as they are the only really effectivce spells I have (only ones that go on Sorc+RDD Levels) I figured TS would be wasted (Can cast from Scrolls) and mords, well I have no grabbies or epic wall so my hell parties are still gunna need a Mage build for that purpose, there is my mords My ab fully buffed when i equip my Warhammer, with a +14 GMW is over 70 on my char sheet, around 65 according to logs, I might not hit everytime but I do hit and my fire shield ensure when they hit me I do some damage, so I can tank enough for the Shifter etc to kill whatever I am tanking if you get my meaning. Once I take Legendary Luck and Epic Toughness 3 in my next 2 LL Feats the rest I intend to add a couple more feats to up my ab further and add a few Great CHA feats since the only LL Save feat I really need will be Legendary Luck to put my saves well over 60 thanks to the paly level. Also I did waste a feat on Weap Prof Martial for the Warhammer and the Epic Spell foucs, I could have freed up two more feats there by making Paly my first level and then taking the Sorc/RDD levels to go Bloodfire at 21 rather than taking Paly at lvl 21 and going Bloodfire at 20 and using a book for the Epic focus so it is still quite possible to make this gal a mean tanking mage with a few tweaks. I agree tho it can be made into one hell of a mean old tank, but I liked the idea of being able to take out as much as possible with spells then mopping up the left overs with me hammer hehe Cata
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Post by cataclysmic on May 11, 2007 2:08:01 GMT
You are forgetting one important factor of this build Midnight, it is a Sorceror splash build not a Wizard. Wizards have to reset their spell book, all I have to do is re equip me staff and rest Cata By the way you forgot to rub my face in the DB incident rofl...for future Bloodfire mages out there NEVER and I do mean NEVER EVER cast Hellball on a DB run, um I cast it to try it out and the only member of our party that survbived the KB from it was Midnight rofl
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Post by Midnite [UE] on May 11, 2007 5:39:33 GMT
You are forgetting one important factor of this build Midnight, it is a Sorceror splash build not a Wizard. Wizards have to reset their spell book, all I have to do is re equip me staff and rest Cata By the way you forgot to rub my face in the DB incident rofl...for future Bloodfire mages out there NEVER and I do mean NEVER EVER cast Hellball on a DB run, um I cast it to try it out and the only member of our party that survbived the KB from it was Midnight rofl Ugh [censored].. that was a big noob mistake.. lol, i cannot believe I forgot it was a sorc based build rofl. As for Cata casting hell ball.. I figured it up the group itself without taking out immunes took around 3600 total dmg, hellball doing 4 different dmg type attacks and 6 abis with 115 fire kb and 35 magic kb... 115 x 4 = 460 x 6 = 2760 total fire kb dmg per person... 35 x 4 = 140 x 6 = 840 total magic kb dmg per person 2760 + 840 = 3600 dmg per person *36,000 partywide dmg total* 3600 x 10 ppl There were also 3 Barbs as well.. So Cata himself took more kb then we did. 80 pierce dmg and Im not even sure of neg dmg.... 80 x 4 = 320 x 3barbs = 960 Neg dmg x 4 = # x 3barbs = # So Cata himself took a total max dmg without taking immunes of 4560 not including neg dmg seeing as I dont know what they do... Does that set the record for most kb dmg taken by one person? Or an entire party? Watch the language, please. Funky
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Post by cataclysmic on May 11, 2007 6:44:57 GMT
ROFLMAO hehe it WAS funny tho and we didn't lock out and we did complete the run in short order so I guess that says a bit for the quality of the group we had hehe
Cata
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Post by MightyKhan on May 11, 2007 7:53:52 GMT
I'm doing my own BFM right now. She's lvl 22 currently but i plan to do the following level build-up: 14 sorc, 1 pally, 25 RDD as you probably notice, primarily a melee build. i did 14 sorc to get level 7 spells ie extended tensers... i'm planning on taking all the epic toughness feats to be able to use a halberd together with a shield @ lvl 45. I'm still not entirely sure whether i should take more feats like epic penetration and epic spell focus or great strength or great charisma or epic weapon focus etc. in other words, i haven't thought the last 40 levels over yet... so i decided to post here and get some help if this is the wrong topic to post in, forgive me, i'm new to the forums and didn't think it was necesary to do another topic considering its the same quasi... Khan
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Post by cataclysmic on May 11, 2007 16:31:19 GMT
Well with all the Epic Toughness Feats you should get quite a considerable boost to ya STR ne way so I wouldn't worry too much about the Great STR especially with Tensers. My STR is currently at 45 or something like that at level 48 and with tensers I get some pretty nice ab and am finding I can hit often enough to do some real damage, I have only taken Epic Toughness 3 as more just wont fit into the build. My Charisma is at 40 now fully equiped and my Firebrands do some pretty nifty damage as well but then I made my build to be a caster as well as meelee so did take the Legendary Focus and Penetration Feats tho if you aren't to worried about the damage ya spells will do but more concerned with slapping things silly I wouldn't worry about it too much. As for equiping a large weapon that is one way to do it. Another would be to use a large sized subby and have the ability from level 1. I did originally do a test on the Bloodfire Mage to be a meelee build and discarded it, it got the large Dragon Shape at level 40 and did some seriously nasty damage to the test monkey both with meelee and Firebrand but I had to sacrifice all spell levels above 6 I think it was and didn't get tensers so would be reliant on GMW to get nething near a decent ab at LL Levels.
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Post by MightyKhan on May 13, 2007 9:11:33 GMT
as i cant take epic spell focus, due to only 14 levels sorc, would it still be any good taking the epic (and legendary) spell penetration feat(s)? All in all, with 25 levels of RDD i will get another 6 normal epic feats and 3 bonus feats. I was thinking of taking improved combat casting and at least 7 epic toughnesses. That leaves me with 1 more feat to fill in. Should i leave out the ICC? Any suggestions?
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Post by cataclysmic on May 14, 2007 1:55:04 GMT
Well I didn't even bother with Combat Casting with my build and it is made to cast as well as mellee, luckily with both RDD and Sorc Concentration is a Clsass Skill so you can max it out very easily, I have never failed a Concentration check since hitting 50 and I just got my Workshop token today so will let you know tomorrow how it does in Tia If ya gunna be meelee based I see no point at all wasting the feats on ICC since ya gunna have maxed Concentration, not to mention maxed Discipline and Spellcasting (both also class skills for RDD) Cata Just thought I would modify this to say I have now gotten my BLoodfire Mage to level 60 and it is tagged up to Minauros, will be doing Phleg soon! So far she does quite well in Hells, she even got the killing blow on Dispater lol. Will update the build soon to reflect stats at 60
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Post by the1kobra on May 14, 2007 1:57:20 GMT
You could always chug a bottle of Sissy'ys blood if you are really that desperate for the combat casting, although, you can't be a secret, UR, or BUR sub. Fortunately for me, that is a grand total of none of my characters. =)
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Post by cataclysmic on May 14, 2007 1:58:31 GMT
Heh, I was working on an RDD primary melee Bloodfire character, but you seem to have it all worked out. The only thing I might change is the lvl distribution to 19/20/1, that way you get another 9th lvl sorc spell. (Mords is very useful, so would be MS, maybe TS too....) At any rate, its nice to have options, especially since you don't have to decide in the field. Hehe I have bene playing my Bloodfire Mage pretty much continously and love the gal, she is seriously kool but I think after playing her to 60 I will remake and probably use your suggestion of 19/20/1 for the level progression. It still gives me RDD as control class as well as an extra feat I think (tho not sure will have to test it) I will probably go with trying to get the Large Shape to use a shield and Large weap for the nice new crits on em. Will be testing it out soon and will let ya know how it goes
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