Chaos Hybrid (30 Ranger/10 Monk)

[bunnyman]

This character I wanted to make into a fun archer/melee/light caster hybrid. It doesn't get the best ac but its still enough to tank and with archer/melee/caster possibilities it wont get as repetitive as most focused builds do. I'll try converting it into lower subs as I get some constructive criticism.

30 Ranger/10 Monk (20 Ranger pre-epic)

Race: Elf
Subrace: Erinyes
Weapon: Longbow and a light weapon of your choice.

Abilities:
Base/After Racial effects:
(Str) 10/10
(Dex) 18/24
(Con) 12/12
(Int) 10/10
(Wis) 16/20
(Cha) 8/6

At 60/With +12 stats from item bonus’:
(Str) 10/22
(Dex) 54/66 (with +2 item used for this -- all points here)
(Con) 16/28
(Int) 10/22
(Wis) 20/32
(Cha) 6/18


Hit Points:

475+260+255+60= 1050 hit points.

Con Mod: 9
25 Ranger: 25x(10+9)= 475
20 LL Ranger: 20x(10+3)= 260
15 Monk: 15x(8+9)= 255
Toughness= 60

Base Saves: (base at 60)
Fortitude:12+10+5+9+1+3= 40
Reflex: 6+10+5+28+1+3= 53
Will: 6+10+5+11+1+3+4= 40

20 Ranger= Fort-12, Ref-6, Will-6
20 Epic Levels= Fort-10, Ref-10, Will-10
20 Legendary Levels= Fort-5, Ref-5, Will-5

66 Dex= Fort-0, Ref-28, Will-0
28 Con= Fort-9, Ref-0, Will-0
32 Wis= Fort-0, Ref-0, Will-11

Luck of Heroes= Fort-1, Ref-1, Will-1
Legendary Luck of Heroes= Fort-3, Ref-3, Will-3
Epic Will= Fort-0, Ref-0, Will-4


Skill Points at 40: 160
Total Skill Points at 40=
Concentration: 43
Discipline: 43
Heal: 43
Spellcraft: 0
Tumble:40

Total Skill Points at 60= 240
Concentration: 63 (72)
Discipline: 63 (76)
Heal: 63 (74)
Spellcraft: 20 (20)
Tumble:40 (68)


Feats:
Free- Point Blank Shot
Free- Rapid Shot
Free- Weapon Focus Longbow
Free- Epic Weapon Focus Longbow
Free after eating book at 40- Epic spell focus Transmutation
1- Luck of Heroes
3- Weapon Finess
5- Favored Enemy
6- Weapon Focus (light weapon)
9- Improved Critical Longbow
10- Favored Enemy
12- Improved Critical (light weapon)
15- Favored Enemy
15- Toughness
18- Skill Focus Discipline
20- Favored Enemy
21- Armor Skin
24- Great Dex I
27- Great Dex II
Epic Ranger Feat 1- Bane of Enemies
Epic Ranger Feat 2- Epic Weapon Focus (light weapon)
Epic Ranger Feat 3- Epic Prowess
30- Great Dex III
33- Great Dex IV
36- Great Dex V
39- Great Dex VI
42- Great Dex VII
45- Great Dex VIII
48- Legendary Weapon Focus longbow
51- Legendary Weapon Focus (light weapon)
54- Epic Skill Focus Discipline
57- Legendary Luck of Heroes
60- Epic Will


Armor Class: (just a guide on what to expect your ac to be with just UR's, may change about 3-10 for immunities -- maybe and if a cleric is in party)
10+13+16+16+20+28+11+2+8+2= 126 – by yourself using a bow.
10+13+16+16+20+28+11+2+8+2+2= 128 – in party with Girding active using a bow.
10+13+16+16+20+28+11+2+8+2+5= 131 – by yourself dual wielding.
10+13+16+16+20+28+11+2+8+2+2+5= 133 – in party with Girding active dual wielding.

Base: 10
Armor: UR robes- 13
Amulet: UR amulet- 16
Deflection: UR item- 16
Shield: off-hand shield bonus: 5
Dodge: UR or BUR Boots+haste- 20
Dexterity Bonus: 28
Wisdom Bonus: 11
Monk Bonus: 2
Tumble: 8
Armor Skin: 2
Cleric casting Girding of the Faithful: 2 or 4


Attack Bonus: (at 60 -- all figures 2 lower against non favored enemies)
82/82/77/72/67 (normal mode with bow -- not including an attack bonus on the bow)
80/80/75/70/65/60 (rapid shot mode with bow -- not including an attack bonus)
93/93/88/83/78 – 93/88 (dual wielding -- including the +12 blade thirst enhancement and the -2/-2 dual wield penelties)


Pre-epic levels= 20
Epic levels= 10
Legendary levels= 15
66 Dexterity= 28
Weapon Focus= 1
Epic Weapon Focus= 2
Legendary Weapon Focus= 3
Epic Prowess= 1
Favored Enemies= 2
Aid= 1
When Dual Wielding= -2/-2

[chainlink]

I'm afraid without the ability to use Dustbone or Hells AA only bows your arrow damage output will be pathetic, Yomi's description of "Poking them to get their attention" is correct.

[starlandra]

light caster is incorrect... you are a very light buffer at best... no offensive spells at all. Having 10 monk is a waste if you dont' go to 20. I just got my 30 ranger 7 wm 3 monk to level 60 and she works quite well, and does alot of damage versus just 'poking' someone. I would advise you changing you build likewise. My saves are all 64 70 63 my ab with +0 weap is 70 and my hitpoints are 1100+. Now I dont' have a BUR so my ac at 125 dual wielding and my ab are both lower than what you can build with Erinyes
I am sure.

Oh and ESF discipline is a waste. My ranger is a dexer but with ranger as CC you get Disc thru LL's My discipline with gear is 99 (114+ with burs etc). Works just fine so far.

[bunnyman]

starlandra said:

light caster is incorrect... you are a very light buffer at best... no offensive spells at all. Having 10 monk is a waste if you dont' go to 20. I just got my 30 ranger 7 wm 3 monk to level 60 and she works quite well, and does alot of damage versus just 'poking' someone. I would advise you changing you build likewise. My saves are all 64 70 63 my ab with +0 weap is 70 and my hitpoints are 1100+. Now I dont' have a BUR so my ac at 125 dual wielding and my ab are both lower than what you can build with Erinyes
I am sure.

Oh and ESF discipline is a waste. My ranger is a dexer but with ranger as CC you get Disc thru LL's My discipline with gear is 99 (114+ with burs etc). Works just fine so far.

Ok, well... buffer then. Though I wouldnt really call him a very light buffer, I like how they changed some of the spells to be better than their counterparts. His buffs:
-Freedom of Movement: at casterlevel 20, adds .5m/s to base run rate; adds an additional .5m/s at casterlevel 33, 46 = 1.5 additional m/s
-Mass Camouflage: added concealment %1 per casterlevel up to casterlevel 40, +1% conceal/2 legendary casterlevels = 45% conceal
-Polymorph Self
-Troll: Regeneration equal to the ranger's Wisdom modifier for 1 turn per 2 casterlevels = 11
-Umber Hulk: Immunity to stun for 1 round per 2 casterlevels
-Zombie: 50% immunity to negative damage for 1 turn per 2 casterlevels
-Aid: 1 ab
-Bladethirst: grants vampiric regeneration at casterlevel 40 and up at 1 point /4 casterlevels; at casterlevel 20 and up, adds an onhit property that does 1d4 + 1/ 2 casterlevels of positive damage to the ranger's favored enemies = 10 vamp regen, extra 1d4+25 positive damage vs. favored enemies
-Protection From Elements: at casterlevel 21 and up, grants 1% immunity to elemental damage types per 2 casterlevels if cast as a ranger spell = 25% elemental immunity
Not exactly a buff but useful:
-Invisibility Purge: At casterlevel 46 and higher, lowers Extraordinary concealment of enemies inside the aura by 3% + 1% per 2 casterlevels above 46 = -5% enemy conceal

[bunnyman]

chainlink said:

I'm afraid without the ability to use Dustbone or Hells AA only bows your arrow damage output will be pathetic, Yomi's description of "Poking them to get their attention" is correct.

I know the damage output wont be *that* high, I just wanted to post a build that could have some fun without either the run/shoot/run/shoot, or run to enemy/hit enemy/run to next enemy/hit next enemy tactics

Having the ability to instantly change from bow and dual wielding (without losing any effectiveness) seems like a cool idea (especially if you need to hide in the back against certain mobs)

[chainlink]

Won't be that high isn't even close, have you tried using the UR quiver arrows in the first desert area, I think you'll find you won't even tickle the stingers? I've been on Hells runs with folks using UR arrows and they do squat to practically all the mobs you'll encounter, without the ability to use Dusty/Hells bows I'd say you're much better off focussing on the dual wield thing and not wasting the feats on archery.

[bunnyman]

chainlink said:

Won't be that high isn't even close, have you tried using the UR quiver arrows in the first desert area, I think you'll find you won't even tickle the stingers? I've been on Hells runs with folks using UR arrows and they do squat to practically all the mobs you'll encounter, without the ability to use Dusty/Hells bows I'd say you're much better off focussing on the dual wield thing and not wasting the feats on archery.

Since the build is based on Erinyes the only 2 archery feats used were imp crit (dont really need any other pre-epic feats) and legendary weapon focus... that leaves 1 feat to do what with if you just focus on dual wielding?

I should also mention that if needed this build can do hit-and-run tactics with a bow if needed -- base speed+1.5 m/s (freedom)+30% (monk speed)

[chainlink]

Yes so you're using Erinyes (purely designed for AA builds) and gimping it by making it use non-AA stuff. I'll admit some of the subbys have multiple build options and clever tweaking can make a load of stuff work but an archer function without AA levels is not one of them as far as I can see.

[bunnyman]

chainlink said:

Yes so you're using Erinyes (purely designed for AA builds) and gimping it by making it use non-AA stuff. I'll admit some of the subbys have multiple build options and clever tweaking can make a load of stuff work but an archer function without AA levels is not one of them as far as I can see.

But its not really an archer, its more a dual wielder that can switch to archery (like if you died and want to wait for your death timer to expire so you dont fugue -- or hit enemies you cant reach on foot -- or draw enemies to you) with no penelties, not to mention it cant really hurt to have a 100+ ab archer that can run fast if your into guild duals and want to kill that pesky tank following you that would probally kill you in melee.

[starlandra]

now you don't need AA bows, My ranger uses mord arrows from desert when she needs to bow and does decent damage.

Still you never told why 10 levels monk? 3 gives you monk speed you are after and you can still put in 7 wm so you can be an effective tank when you dual wield.

[bunnyman]

starlandra said:

now you don't need AA bows, My ranger uses mord arrows from desert when she needs to bow and does decent damage.

Still you never told why 10 levels monk? 3 gives you monk speed you are after and you can still put in 7 wm so you can be an effective tank when you dual wield.

Improved Evasion, 30% speed, and +2 ac from level 10. Goin wm requires a buncha feats and more int, I just wanted to make it kinda simple and speedy.

[chainlink]

Improved evasion is really only worth bothering with if you're taking self concealment as if you have good saves you'll rarely be taking damage from relfex save events. In fact quite a lot of experienced builders have been saying evasion is unecessary recently (obviously only valid if you have good saves), I still like taking it if possible but that's just personal preference.

[bunnyman]

chainlink said:

Improved evasion is really only worth bothering with if you're taking self concealment as if you have good saves you'll rarely be taking damage from relfex save events. In fact quite a lot of experienced builders have been saying evasion is unecessary recently (obviously only valid if you have good saves), I still like taking it if possible but that's just personal preference.

Well actually, at 40 Ranger you get improved evasion so if you dont mind losing 1 ac from going to 5 monk instead of 10 you could switch to 35 ranger/5 monk ... get a few more epic feats, and the spell differences would be:
-Mass Camouflage: added concealment %1 per casterlevel up to casterlevel 40, +1% conceal/2 legendary casterlevels = 47% conceal (2% higher)
-Protection From Elements: at casterlevel 21 and up, grants 1% immunity to elemental damage types per 2 casterlevels if cast as a ranger spell = 27% elemental immunity (2% higher)
Not exactly a buff but useful:
-Invisibility Purge: At casterlevel 46 and higher, lowers Extraordinary concealment of enemies inside the aura by 3% + 1% per 2 casterlevels above 46 +3% at 55 = -10% enemy conceal (5% lower conceal)

I still wouldnt want to go as a wm though, as you need a bunch of feats and 13 intelligence -- have to rework stats a bit.