Spike's Stunty Slicer 8FTR 2Rogue 30 Assassin

[gruntgruntson]

(That is a Stunty who Slices, not a Slicer of Stunties!)
Using Battlerager Dwarf for Extra STR.
Any race can work, with a minor re-arrangement of stats. Use one of the free feats to pick up toughness. A Large Race can use 2-handed weapons and shield, choosing between Halberd (Good cit range and damage), Katana (You have a spare feat to pick up Exotic), or a double-weapon (Will not get any extra attacks with shield, but a good crit range and multiplier)

Starting Stats (subrace)
STR: 16 (20)
DEX: 12
CON: 17 (20)
INT: 12 (10)
WIS: 12
CHA: 6 (3)

All Stat points into STR

Level Progression: 1-4 FTR, 5 Rogue, 6-15 Assassin, 16 FTR, 17 Rogue, 18-20 FTR, 21-40 Assassin

Class and Feat Selection:
Battlerager Feats: Dodge, Toughness
1 FTR. Luck-of-Heroes, Blind fighting
2 FTR Weapon Focus Scimitar
3 FTR Lightening Reflexes
4 FTR Weapon Specialisation Scimitar
5 Rogue - Put 8 Points into Hide and Move Silently
6 Assassin Iron Will
7 Assassin
8 Assassin
9 Assassin Great Fortitude
10 Assassin
11 Assassin
12 Assassin Improved Critical Scimitar
13 Assassin
14 Assassin
15 Assassin ~Skill Focus Discipline?
16 Fighter
17 Rogue ~ Weapon Focus Light Flail
18 Fighter - Improved Critical Light Flail
19 Fighter
20 Fighter - Weapon Specialisation Light Flail - Max Discipline

21-40 Assassin
Feats:
21 Armour Skin
24 Epic Weapon Focus Scimitar, Epic Reflexes (Swap to Great Strength 1)
27 Epic Prowess
28 Epic Reflexes (Swap to Great STR 2)
30 Great Strength 3
32 Epic Reflexes (Swap to Great Strength 4)
33 Great Strength 5
36 Great Strength 6, Epic Reflexes (Swap to Great Strength 7)
39 Great Strength 8
40 Epic Reflexes (Swap to Great Strength 9)

Legendary Feats:
Legendary Luck
Legendary Will
Epic Weapon Focus Light Flail
Free Feat
Free Feat
Great Strength 10
Epic Skill Focus Discipline

At level 40:
Saves:
Fort: 29
Ref: 29
Will: 20
So saves @ 60 with gear:
Fort 64
Ref: 63
Will 63

ab with mundane Scimitar: 44
Discipline : 40
HP: 504

30 assassin for maxed dev-crit.
I'm not sure how to calculate saves post-40, and with equipment, so have pumped feats into it
If any are too high, might be able to save a feat or two
Enough skill points for 8 Move and Hide, 43 tumble and UMD, with 49 points spare @ 40 - enough for one skill maxed and a few left. Maybe PP , but you'll need to cover the Armour/Shield penalty, it will take most of the remaining points

Have used the spare feats to pick up Light Flail feats, giving a 2nd sting to his bow. Still has 2 free Legendary Feats.

This is my 1st attempt at posting a build, so feel free to rip it to bits send some constructive criticism.

[phalthallus]

FYI Spike - To figure post-40 saves, just add 31.

+6 from gear (+12 to dex/con/wis)
+5 from LL's
+20 from items
----------------------
+31

If you're a paladin and/or bg you'd add the +'s from maxing charisma as well.

So you had 27 fort, 31 reflex, 20 will. +4 from LL LoH = 31/35/24, LL for Fort/Reflex/Will = +7 more, for 38, 43, 31. Epic Will adds four more to that, for 38/43/35. Add 31 at level 60, and you've got 69/74/66. Very nice.

I'd say drop LL Reflexes for sure. Dropping LL Fort or Epic Will would be optional, but not optimal.

Your AB is already really good. If you wanted, you could do 2 more fighter pre-epic, and 2 fewer rogue, to get 1 more (and +2 more fort saves - which might make LL Fort less necessary. I think it'd leave fort at 64). You'd get -2 reflex saves, but I don't think that's detrimental.

Just some thoughts. Possibly (probably?) wrong, but it's just what I see.

[gruntgruntson]

Thanx Phal!
Will tweak, and update.

[gruntgruntson]

OK, some tweaks to optimise saves, and I am left with 3 pre-epic feats and 3 legendary feats.
The pre-epics are not very useful. So far I have taken knockdown, called shot and power attack, but do not imagine ever using them.
As for legendary feats, these are more important.
Any suggestions? Considering Great Con and Epic Damage Reduction. Can either take 1 Con and 2 EDR or 2 CON and 1 EDR. Would have to move the CON feats to pre-Legendary.

[chainlink]

You could always fit in light flail (which also has an 18-20 critical chance), you'd need WF Light Flail, improved critical and EWF and you could also take weapon specialisation then you would have the same damage output as your scimitar but be able to hit other mobs effectively.

[gruntgruntson]

Good Idea. Included.
Still 2 Legendary Feats. Possibly Great Conx2 (Shifted to Epic levels, moving 2 Great STR/Epic Reflex to LL)

[gruntgruntson]

gruntgruntson said:

Enough skill points for 8 Move and Hide, 43 tumble and UMD, with 49 points spare @ 40 - enough for one skill maxed and a few left. Maybe PP , but you'll need to cover the Armour/Shield penalty, it will take most of the remaining points

How much UMD is needed?
I believe 34 to cast 9th level scrolls. Can Dachy/UR staffs be UMDed? Or other decent gear?

[bort]

Dachy staves can be UMD'd but you need more than 43 to do so
(Not sure exactly how much, but my level 45 assassin still can't UMD em - my level 55 bard can).

[unnone]

UMD is also charisma based, and you're going to have a much better charisma as a bard than as a battlerager.

You're also going to have a Str-Tank's AC. I'd recommend going for EDR I-III to help with the hits that will be landing, since you're one CON point away from it, and that investment will add up to tons of damage saved, especially if you're thinking about investing feats in a second weapon.

[gruntgruntson]

The second weapon is for choice of slash or bludge damage, rather than dual-wield.

You're also going to have a Str-Tank's AC. I'd recommend going for EDR I-III to help with the hits that will be landing, since you're one CON point away from it, and that investment will add up to tons of damage saved, especially if you're thinking about investing feats in a second weapon.

If I invest in a second weapon, there is only enough to get Great Con 1 (no extra HP) and EDR 1 (3/-). Doesn't sound worth it to me. If I drop the second weapon I can get 1 extra Feat for either another Great Con (More hits/fort save) or EDR II (6/-).

and you're going to have a much better charisma as a bard than as a battlerager.

Yes, CHA is as low as it goes. Not a pleasant guy! But I don;t know what you mean by Bard. I used Battlerager 1) For the STR/CON/Feats. 2) Because it is a race I have. UMD is a secondary concern - my Tin Can finds it very useful. I have some skill points left over and don't see this guy opening locks.