Turning the Tide (39 Cleric/1 Paladin)

[archmage]

My turning Cleric:

I went Human Half-Celestial, but others would work well, Fallen Angel especially. Any race that offers a Wisdom and Charisma boost. For domains I took Fire and good to start out with.

Start with stats:

STR: 8
DEX: 8
CON: 12
WIS: 17
INT: 11
CHA: 16

Its essential you get 25 WIS and 25 CHA to get Planar Turning. Put points into concentration and heal as you level, save all other skill points.

1: Extra Turning, Toughness
2:
3: Spell Focus: Abjuration
4: Charisma +1
5:
6: GSF ABjuration
7:
8: Charisma +1
9: Spell Penetration
10:
11:
12: Charisma +1, Greater spell pen
13:
14:
15: Silent Spell
16: Charisma +1
17:
18: Maximise Spell
19:
20: Charisma +1
21: Great CHA1
22:
23: Great WIS1 (Cleric Bonus Feat)
24: Charisma +1, Great CHA2
25:
26: Great Wis2 (Cleric Bonus Feat)
27: Great CHA3
28: Charisma +1
29: Planar turning (Cleric Bonus Feat)
30: Great CHA4
31:
32: Charisma +1, Epic Spell Pen (Cleric Bonus Feat)
33: Great CHA5
34:
35: ESF: Evocation (Cleric Bonus Feat)
36: Charisma +1, Great CHA6
37:
38:ESF: Abjuration (Cleric Bonus Feat)
39: Great CHA7
40: PALADIN LEVEL: Max Discipline here and take rest in heal and conc, Charisma +1

You get 7 Legendary Feats, you need destruction domain for constructs, plant for vermin, Sun for bonus to turning undead. 3 Great Charisma Feats and Legendary spell Penetration. Take Charisma for all your stat points. you will end with 62 charisma at 60, 64 with the artifact, and be able to turn anything turnable in the game. For your skill points carry on with concentration and heal and cross class into tumble for a 2 points of extra AC. Enjoy. First build I ever posted.

[archmage]

I suppose I should note one important caveat here, this build was designed solely for the hells to stay alive long enough to get my turns off to help the party. Its a very party oriented character. I could squeeze more AC out of this build, but not without sacrificing. If your getting hit, your in trouble already so I skimped on AC. Saves are astronomical thanks to paladin lvl on a Charisma class.

[bort]

Why the spell penetration feats?

Oh wait, found it:

acaos said:

Spell Penetration is necessary for turning constructs with Destruction.

I think something along these lines might be my next build; looked like a lot of fun to play.

[chainlink]

Am I missing something or do you only have 24 Wis, 16 starting +6 from H-C plus 2 great wis feats according to your list?

[archmage]

chainlink said:

Am I missing something or do you only have 24 Wis, 16 starting +6 from H-C plus 2 great wis feats according to your list?

Hmm i think you're right. i put the wrong starting wis. I acccidentally flip flopped the Wis and Charisma.

[bort]

I think you missed off a bonus feat at 38...?
Armor skin?

[archmage]

No i didnt take armor skin. all the feats are there. Your ac is already in the gutter. Best to just say forget it, and not worry about AC on this particular build.

Its fixed. I took ESF:ABjuration at 38, not 37. Just an error in typing out the build.

[bort]

Which book did you read? The miracle epic looks tempting, or maybe Enchant for gmws and girding..
Cheers.

[archmage]

The choice of book is really totally optional. I chose Necromancy. I debated between Miracle and Eternal Return and ended up going with Eternal Return. I figure I'm going to be running into mass swarms of enemies to turn them, and with my ac there's a good chance I coul get dropped before getting my turn off. So I felt it was better to be able to get back up and not force my teammates to go rez me. I also took into account that this character has Mass Rez.

[bort]

Yeah, that sounds wise. I felt the same way building my current caster cleric- mass res is normally enough for miracle not to be needed in a good party.

Probably going to hold off on building one until I get a better sub than FA though, because I'd like to get 14-16 con (at least) and think you might need 12 int to get tumble maxed cross-class (maybe I'm wrong on this?)
With FA all that seems to hurt your CHA score a little too much..

How many hit points do you have with gear (prior to buffing)?
Decided to make it with FA after all.

Have you played the build far into the Hells yet?
If so, how's it going?
Thanks a lot!
-Bort

[archmage]

I did not elect to cross class tumble, it cost too much, I only have 10 points into tumble for a whopping 2 AC, but honestly, at the Ac i'm at, 111 with bur's 2 more points wouldnt make much difference, and I needed those skill points elsewhere more. It would have been nice to get 12 int for more skill points, but I couldnt squeeze it in without impacting Con, Wis, or Cha. None of which I was personally willing to do.

I have played this build thru Stygia, and I can tell you, Aura has been the difference between wiping and victory several times already. your party will love you. It is a very different playing experience though, and requires some thought to play well. Good gear is also probably a requirement to take a Turner into the Hells.

[bort]

Great, thanks

[Grogbot]

I see that this build is in the Grey "outdated" section on the HG Wiki. I also see others make reference to it in more contemporary discussions.

Apart from the Pure (+1 TP) vs Pally splash (Cheese) issue, and that BUR races probably supercede the Fallen Angel, are there any reasons why this build is no longer useful?

Grog

[Yomi]

It's in gray on the wiki because it's in the archives. The author needs to make a post to move it out. It's still listed because it seems like a good build, it's historically important, and the discussion on the thread seems useful to anyone considering making one. At least that was what I had in mind.