The Devcrit Master 30AS/7WM/3RO

[dgcook]

I personally like this build but I pretty much messed it up without con my hp was low and I was looking at the ground a lot. But after a bit in the LL's I started playing this char again and fixed him up, though I have watsted 2 feats on Epic Toughness 2 and 3.

[chainlink]

Toughness is a must for this build but I don't find I get hit often enough in most places to worry about the relatively low hps, doesn't work very well in the Desert though due to crit immunity of lots of the mobs, while you can keep them occupied you don't do enough damage to take them down quickly and will get swarmed sooner or later.

[dgcook]

Yeah also during regular levels I forgot to max out tumble every level so now every LL I am maxing tumble so my ac has been boosted a lot.

[fentruck]

Err I have a question about this build... At what lvl does this build recieve Weapon finesse? It seems I cannot take it (Finesse) until after I hit Weapon Master because all feats from lvls 1 to 12 are requirements for WM with no extras. Is this normal or did what am I doing wrong here?

[chainlink]

No you can't take it until after you've achieved WM or you won't get WM early enough to get 30 levels of Assassin, crappy ab until you do but increases massively once you get this Feat.

[Dannecrot]

I simply used a bow until I got weapon finess. Although it did seem sort of strange that I was taking all these feats in rapier and I wasn't even using one, but I think the AB boost is worth the awkwardness.

[chainlink]

Good thinking with the bow, obviously you can't use a longbow if you take Rogue but it still gives a half decent ab as bows tend to have a slightly higher + than melee weapons when taking into account level restrictions. You'll be like an ugly duckling that changes into a graceful swan when you get weapon finesse

[dodrudon]

*casts Raise Thread*

I just wanted to bump this post because I'm playing this build right now, and it's an AWESOME build so far =). I'm at level 28, and with a CoB ring the farm has been a cakewalk since I managed to hit them. The damage output is also pretty amazing with sneaks and crits.

What feats do you guys recommend? I went the non-cleave route (12 str and con, I shoulda dumped str and boosted con to 13 or 14), and right now I just got Shield and am loading up on Great Dexs. Planned is Armor Skin and Blindfight. Would Great Con be good? Or should I go one Great Str and get Cleave and Overwhelming Crits? How are the saves (or is fort save the only one worth worrying about)? Is Disarm/Knockdown of any use? Is Improved Expertise worth it for the penalty?

Thanks!

Edit: And what about Imp Whirlwind and Imp Sneak Attack?

[chainlink]

You're going to need to max great dex but apart from that its personal choice although overwhelming crits are somewhat pointless as you don't have a huge crit multiplier. You're going to want to increase your saves and ideally get 50 minimum in all of them although lots of folks recent builds target 60 which is prolly not viable for this toon.

[chainlink]

Apparently I lied saves of 60+ are possible for the build with a few sacrifices or minimal sacrifices if you have Half-Kyton.

Wraith Assassin: 30 AS / 7 WM / 3 RO The Devcrit Master

"Wraith" (secret subrace) - no race requirement (changes Appearance)
STR - 3, DEX +3, INT +1, +6 hide, +6 move silently, free feat: Aura of Courage, free feat: Immunity to Sleep, free feat: Perfect Health, Immunity: Death Magic

"Half-Fiend" (secret Beyond UltraRare subrace) - no race requirement (adds wings)
DEX +6, CON +4, INT +4, Wis -2, CHA -2, +6 hide, +6 move silently, sr 10 + 1/lvl, able to walk on quicksand

"Half-Kyton" (secret Beyond UltraRare subrace) - no race requirement
DEX +4, WIS +4, CON +4, free feat: Improved Spell Resistance 1, free feat: Improved Spell Resistance 2, free feat: Dodge, free feat: Mobility, +8 hide, +8 move silent, +10 tumble

You'll also need to base this on the Human template (for Wraith or Half-Fiend) or you won't get the feats quickly enough to have WM at level 13.

You need Wraith/Half-Fiend/Half-Kyton for this one to be able to access assassin at level 2 and then you take Rapier (or another 18-20 critical chance weapon) as your weapon of choice which gives you a final critical chance of 10-20 with a keen weapon.

Level progression
1 Rogue, 2-11 Assassin, 12 Rogue, 13-18 Weapon Master, 19 Rogue, 20 Weapon Master, 21-40 Assassin

Ability Points (Wraith)[ Half-Fiend]{Half-Kyton}
Str 8 (5) [8] {8}
Dex 17>20 [16>22] {16>20}
Con 14 [18] {18}
Int 13 (14) [17] {13}
Wis 8 [10>8] {8>12}
Cha 8 [8>6] {8}

I’ve done my best to give an idea of modifications for this build for Half-Fiend and Half-Kyton but I've not put them through the calculator so there may be some points hanging around at the end.

Feats in order
Dodge, Expertise
Mobility
Weapon Focus
Spring Attack
Whirlwind Attack
Weapon of Choice (Bonus WM feat) Rapier preferred due to improved critical range
Weapon Finesse – To get max ab
Improved critical - (for weapon of choice)

Epic Feats
Epic Prowess
Epic Weapon Focus rapier
Shield Proficiency
Armor Skin
Blind Fighting
Great Dex I-V (taken as assassin bonus feats)
Iron Will
Great Fortitude

LL Feats
Great Dex VI-X
LL Will
LL Fort

Saves @ 60 all for Wraith (others will add up to a couple of points to Fort and/or Will).
Fort 20 +20 (items) +5 (LL) +6 (ability bonus) +7 LL save = 58
Will 20 +20 (items) +5 (LL) +6 (ability bonus) +7 LL save = 58
Reflex 37 +20 (items) +5 (LL) +6 (ability bonus) +7 LL Dex increases = 75

You could always drop a couple of Great Dex and grab the epic saves to get 62, 62, 68 at the cost of 1ac and 1ab. Also possibly drop another couple to get epic focus in DT and Search to be able to find/open stuff in the Hells. Half-Kyton would also enable you to take Luck of Heroes at character creation and then LL Luck of Heroes to give +4 on all saves due to the two free WM feats it gives you, this combined with the +4 stat bonuses on Con and Wis would effectively give you 64, 64 & 70 saves. Both the BUR races effectively give you a couple of free feats whilst attaining the same final Dex making the build with these slightly less painful.

I’ve added this information as I’ve had a few folks ask me about this build recently and realised that losing cleave for much boosted saves was probably worth it, also gave more information on the feats I used.

Hmm, if I managed to get hold of Half-Kyton I might rebuild Ghostly as Dev Crit always makes me chuckle.

[dodrudon]

Yay LL save feats I might brush the dust off him and see how he does.

[Senaattori]

Heya. I would like to know AB of this build. (buffed and unbuffed at lvl 40 and 60)
Thank you ;D

[thedomicron]

i'm doing this in my head, but i THINK half-kyton could, instead of taking luck of heroes and legendary luck, just go with iron will and great fortitude pre-epic, then taking 2 more gr dex feats in epic, leaving you free to take legendary fort and will without sacrificing dex feats, giving you a final saves of 67-67-66

[chainlink]

azghal said:

Heya. I would like to know AB of this build. (buffed and unbuffed at lvl 40 and 60)
Thank you ;D

Base ab at 60 = 26 +4 (wf and ewf) +1 (epic prowess) + 27 (from dex and artifact (for Wraith)) = 58 + GMW 13 = 71

At 40 you lose 5 points from LL stat boosts, one from no dex artifact (level 55 minimum usage) and however many Dex points you chose to leave until LL.

[gruntgruntson]

Epic Skill Focus Discipline sounds like it might be very useful in the Hells ...useful enough to drop another great Dex for? Probably, but then then build is starting to sacrifice a lot of Dex, if it takes the Epic save feats, and maybe squeezes Toughness in, too.
Also, is it worth taking Shield proficiency pre-epic? maybe swapping with Improved Critical, to ensure you can survive. I found that even once I had Weapon Finesse, I use a bow as my crappy AC was causing me great pain in mellee combat.