Celestial Avenger 20 cleric/20 WM

[Tonkers]

Ok this is my first build to be put on forum so be nice to me
i spent near on a whole day testing this to like the Quassi alot!! so i made one and got it to 41 so far ....My purpose was to tank yes but to also damage and heal at same time to a nice effect so kinder had to spread out my stats abit to get the desired build i wanted.

Base - Human
Race -Half Celestial but you could use FA

Str 16 +3
Dex 13+1
Con 14+2
Intel13+1
Wis 13+1 +6 from HC
Cha 8 -1 +4 from HC

Leveling Progression- 1-12Cleric 15-21Wm 24-30 Cleric 33-40 WM

Feats....
1 Dodge,Expertise
3 Mobility
6 Spring Attack
9Wep focus (Sickle)
12 Whirlwind Attack
15 Extend spell (helps keep bufs going longer)
18 Blind Fight
21 Epic Fort
24 Spell Focus Enchant
27 Great Spell Focus Enchant
30 Epic wep focus (sickle)
33 Epic Enchant + Epic Prowess
36 Epic Evocation + Epic toughness 1
39 Epic Reflexes + Armour Skin Take a book either necro for eternal or abjuration for aegis , as enchant will give girding and evo will give conversion.

Lengendary Levels

LL Reflex
LL Fort
Great str (as many till 60)

Skill points i have put into concentration , discipline and heal

Now i know some are gonna say is this workable i did have my doubts when leveling as a lowbie as armour isnt that great pre 40 and i was dying alot but my ab was good and i tanked well whilst i could ...

Naked at 40
Str 22/6
Dex/13/1
Con 13/1
Int 13/1
Wis 24/7
Cha 12/1

Ab 33/28/23/18
Hp 427 Ac 13
Saves 25 20 27

With gear on at level 40

Str 32/11
Dex 13/1
Con 25/7
Int 13/1
Wis 36/13
Cha 12/1

Ab 52/47/42/37 thats without gmw +14

Hp 667 (unbuffed) AC 97 with immo plate
Saves 49/38/51

I did immo without using one heal pot last night nor my fellow party much to their amazement i then decided to test on the desert after doing immo and the only time i died was by implodes .. toggleing between damages on the lifethreader i found postive and negative worked well on some creatures but still testing dmg stats on that but overall at level 40-41 i was doing damage around 200-300 per critter near me before hitting and wep crit of around 203 dmg with the sickle whilst healing those around me ...
As for the duration of lifethreader apart from getting stoned once or twice it lasted me per map of the desert unless lag or stoning slowed me down.

Well am sure there will be views totally not in agreement but those who partied with me saw this build effectiveness and can confirm it is doable and tankable but am still in process of leveling i have yet to see how sissth and Db , thids go

But feel free to comment .criticise but be nice heh am a noob on forum builds

Tonks

[Acaos]

You need 25 cleric levels for epics.

Acaos

[chainlink]

I don't see Lightning Reflex or Great Fortitude there so you're not going to be taking LL feats in these without them.

[Tonkers]

With regards to epics am sure i can get them will LL levels if it counts?

As for chainlink am sure if i have epic reflex and fort i can get LL i did with a previous toon without taking great in them both but will check it out i may be wrong....

[chainlink]

I'm afraid its the basic feats that are required not the epic ones, mind you the only loss will be two great str and you get +2 on top of the +7 you were going to get anyway so its not all bad.

-Legendary Saving Throw feats:
o Legendary Fortitude requires the Great Fortitude feat and adds +7 to your fortitude save
o Legendary Reflexes requires the Lightning Reflexes feat and adds +7 to your reflex save
o Legendary Will requires the Iron Will feat and adds +7 to your will save
o Legendary Luck requires the Luck of Heroes feat and adds +3 to your fortitude, reflex, and will saves

[zerragon]

Hi Tonkers. First some errors:
I dont think you get epic spells with only 20 cleric levels (need 25 before lvl 40).
You cant take LL fort and reflex without Great fortitude and Great reflex.
You might want to swap Epic fort and reflex for those.

I would recommend 10 str instead of 6 str (as stat increase from 1-40), as 24 wis instead of 20 wis nets you almost nothing.
Later on you will perhaps wear a tia item or two to get enough spell slots for the threading ability to last.
Your DC for spells will suck anyway, so without epic spells you can safely skip epic evocation.

Also, going weaponmaster is very feat costing, so I would skip all the enchantmen focuses for more Great strenghts. Take the epic book enchantment instead.

Edit:
Lol, before i pressed post there were three replies

[exeli]

Legendary Levels

Legendary levels are not considered to be standard levels in a standard class. You cannot, for instance, use them to fulfill level requirements for feats, spells, abilities, and so on; those must all be met by level 40.

-Legendary Saving Throw feats:
o Legendary Fortitude requires the Great Fortitude feat and adds +7 to your fortitude save
o Legendary Reflexes requires the Lightning Reflexes feat and adds +7 to your reflex save
o Legendary Will requires the Iron Will feat and adds +7 to your will save
o Legendary Luck requires the Luck of Heroes feat and adds +3 to your fortitude, reflex, and will saves<

[Tonkers]

zerragon said:

Hi Tonkers. First some errors:
I dont think you get epic spells with only 20 cleric levels (need 25 before lvl 40).
You cant take LL fort and reflex without Great fortitude and Great reflex.
You might want to swap Epic fort and reflex for those.

I would recommend 10 str instead of 6 str (as stat increase from 1-40), as 24 wis instead of 20 wis nets you almost nothing.
Later on you will perhaps wear a tia item or two to get enough spell slots for the threading ability to last.
Your DC for spells will suck anyway, so without epic spells you can safely skip epic evocation.

Also, going weaponmaster is very feat costing, so I would skip all the enchantmen focuses for more Great strenghts. Take the epic book enchantment instead.

Edit:
Lol, before i pressed post there were three replies

Ty for the info shows how noobish i am but even tho i have waste d a few feats picking epic spells focuses its doable at the moment but i will level this to 60 and then redo without those epic spells focus and with the right save feats in place and notice the diff . ;D

[sithdad]

When I get to the LL's with this build do I get to choose my control class or does it go off my last class taken?

[FunkySwerve]

Gee, if only someone had thought to write that down somewhere...

funkyswerve said:

You'll notice that several of these attributes are dependant on the character's 'class'. Legendary levels are not considered to be standard levels in a standard class. You cannot, for instance, use them to fulfill level requirements for feats, spells, abilities, and so on; those must all be met by level 40. Legendary levels are, however, influenced by the character's 'Control Class'. It is the Control Class that determines how many hit points and skill points the character receives for Legendary Levels, the availability of feats and skills, and whether legendary levels count towards casterlevel of a given spell. So how is the Control Class determined? Quite simply, it is the class in which the character has the most levels. If two classes tie for having the most, the class the character took first will be the control class.

Since you can't take WM before cleric with this build, it has to be cleric.

Funky