Post by bort on Apr 30, 2007 11:36:44 GMT
Here's something I came up with to take advantage of Assassins now being able to get Devastating Criticals with 28 levels of Assassin pre-LL (hooray!).
Thoughts please
Pros:
Cons:
Notes:
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Subrace: Planewalker Halfling / Wraith Halfling / Dwarf - Derrzagon
Alignment: Lawful Evil
Skills: Save your skill points until your first monk level; at which point put 8 points into hide and move silently and the rest into discipline and tumble.
Max tumble on assassin levels and discipline on your last monk level at 40.
Ability points:
Progression: Fighter 8 / Monk 2 / Assassin 29 / Monk 1
Feats: (Fighter bonus feat, Assassin bonus feat)
1: Luck of Heroes & Weapon Finesse
2: Weapon Focus Dagger
3: Two-Weapon Fighting
4: Ambidexterity
6: Toughness & Blind Fight
8: Improved Critical Dagger
9: Weapon Focus Kama
12: Improved Two Weapon Fighting
15: Improved Critical Kama
18: Iron Will
21: Armor Skin
24: Epic Weapon Focus Kama & Great Dexterity I
27: Epic Weapon Focus Dagger
28: Great Dexterity II
30: Great Dexterity III
32: Great Dexterity IV
33: Great Dexterity V
36: Great Constitution I & Great Dexterity VI
39: Great Constitution II
Legendary Luck
Legendary Will
Epic Prowess
Great Dexterity VII
Great Dexterity VIII
Great Dexterity IX
Great Dexterity X
Saves:
F:29 R:38, W:23
(+31) F:60 R:69 W:54
(+3 Legendary Luck) F:63 R:72 W:57
(+7w Legendary Will) F:63 R:72 W:64
(+7r from LL feats and ability point increases)
F:63 R:79 W:64
(+1w Wisdom Artifact)
F:63 R:79 W:65
AB: (with Flurry of Blows active)
40/37/34/31/28/25/42/40 (6 kama + flurry & haste)
40/35
(+3 Epic Prowess and Great Dex x4)
(+5 LL Dex x10)
48/45/42/39/36/33/50/48 (6 kama + flurry & haste)
48/43
(+20 from gmw & bardsong)
68/65/62/59/56/53/70/68 (6 kama + flurry & haste)
68/63
EDIT: Fixed AB progression.
EDIT: Wraith added as a subrace option.
EDIT: Dwarf - Derrzagon added as a subrace option.
EDIT: Swapped a level of Monk for Fighter pre-epic, adding a bonus feat at level 8 (improved critical dagger) whilst maintaining the same BAB. Final Reflex and Will saves are 1 lower as a result, but are still plenty high enough.
EDIT: Swapped another level of Monk for Assassin pre-epic, adding +1 to Dev Crit DC and +1% conceal. Final Reflex save is 1 higher as a result.
EDIT: Assassin bonus feats now listed at the correct levels since progression change.
Thoughts please
Pros:
- Devastating Critical
- 10 attacks a round with a maximum AB of 70 (including gmw/bardsong)
- 69% conceal 4 times a day
- High saves (F:63 R:79 W:64 / 65 with Wisdom artifact)
- 125 AC /126 with Wisdom artifact, 128 with cleric buff
- Enough UMD to use scrolls and Dachy staffs (staves?) for Epic Warding.
- Assassin, now with more Discipline
- Nice speed boost if someone casts Freedom of Movement on you.
Cons:
- No Self Conceal V
- 69% conceal 4 times a day (i.e. die four times and you'll need to rest).
- Low on skillpoints (can be improved by trading 2 points of Wisdom for Intelligence at the cost of 1 point of AC and 1 will save)
- 18-20 crit range (keen'd) isn't ideal for lots of crits (and more frequent Dev crits). It is possible to make a kama-monk-wm devcrit-assassin with wraith for better crit range at the cost of lower hitpoints, saves, AC and losing the two extra offhand attacks...(Half-Fiend or Half-Kyton would be great for a monk wm assassin).
- AC/immunities/resistance suffers for dual-wielding (i.e. no shield) but just think about the damage output
- Xp penalty
Notes:
- You can only hone one weapon, so the 2 offhand dagger attacks with this build can't dev crit.
- If you equip a shield, you lose your monk AB progression and drop from 10 attacks a round to 6 (including haste and flurry).
- The build is focused in Kama and Dagger (for offhand) for the maximum number of attacks per round possible (requires kama and monk levels) with minimum AB penalty for dual wielding possible (requires light offhand weapon). Kukri would be a valid replacement for Dagger as it's tiny too (light for halflings); but that would require Weapon Proficiency Exotic.
- You aren't proficient with Kama until level 9 (first level of monk), so use a dagger or sling until then.
- If using Derrzagon or Wraith your size is medium and therefore you can choose any finessable small weapon for your offhand, rather than being limited to tiny weapons. Light Hammer looks like a good choice considering the recent changes, Sickle looks good too.
- Derrzagon versions of this build will have 2 less points of AB, 3 less of AC and 1 lower Reflex and Will saves than listed at the bottom of this build because of lower starting stats and not being a halfling (small size gives +1 ab and ac).
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Subrace: Planewalker Halfling / Wraith Halfling / Dwarf - Derrzagon
Alignment: Lawful Evil
Skills: Save your skill points until your first monk level; at which point put 8 points into hide and move silently and the rest into discipline and tumble.
Max tumble on assassin levels and discipline on your last monk level at 40.
Ability points:
Planewalker (ur) Base(Subrace mod) | Wraith (secret) Base(Subrace mod) | Derrzagon (unrestricted) Base(Subrace mod) |
STR: 6(4) | STR: 8(5) | STR: 8 |
DEX: 20(22) | DEX: 19(22) | DEX: 18(20) |
CON: 16(18) | CON: 16 | CON: 18 |
WIS: 12 | WIS: 12 | WIS: 12(10) |
INT: 8(10) | INT: 9(10) | INT: 8(10) |
CHA: 8 | CHA: 8 | CHA: 6(4) |
Progression: Fighter 8 / Monk 2 / Assassin 29 / Monk 1
Feats: (Fighter bonus feat, Assassin bonus feat)
1: Luck of Heroes & Weapon Finesse
2: Weapon Focus Dagger
3: Two-Weapon Fighting
4: Ambidexterity
6: Toughness & Blind Fight
8: Improved Critical Dagger
9: Weapon Focus Kama
12: Improved Two Weapon Fighting
15: Improved Critical Kama
18: Iron Will
21: Armor Skin
24: Epic Weapon Focus Kama & Great Dexterity I
27: Epic Weapon Focus Dagger
28: Great Dexterity II
30: Great Dexterity III
32: Great Dexterity IV
33: Great Dexterity V
36: Great Constitution I & Great Dexterity VI
39: Great Constitution II
Legendary Luck
Legendary Will
Epic Prowess
Great Dexterity VII
Great Dexterity VIII
Great Dexterity IX
Great Dexterity X
Saves:
F:29 R:38, W:23
(+31) F:60 R:69 W:54
(+3 Legendary Luck) F:63 R:72 W:57
(+7w Legendary Will) F:63 R:72 W:64
(+7r from LL feats and ability point increases)
F:63 R:79 W:64
(+1w Wisdom Artifact)
F:63 R:79 W:65
AB: (with Flurry of Blows active)
40/37/34/31/28/25/42/40 (6 kama + flurry & haste)
40/35
(+3 Epic Prowess and Great Dex x4)
(+5 LL Dex x10)
48/45/42/39/36/33/50/48 (6 kama + flurry & haste)
48/43
(+20 from gmw & bardsong)
68/65/62/59/56/53/70/68 (6 kama + flurry & haste)
68/63
EDIT: Fixed AB progression.
EDIT: Wraith added as a subrace option.
EDIT: Dwarf - Derrzagon added as a subrace option.
EDIT: Swapped a level of Monk for Fighter pre-epic, adding a bonus feat at level 8 (improved critical dagger) whilst maintaining the same BAB. Final Reflex and Will saves are 1 lower as a result, but are still plenty high enough.
EDIT: Swapped another level of Monk for Assassin pre-epic, adding +1 to Dev Crit DC and +1% conceal. Final Reflex save is 1 higher as a result.
EDIT: Assassin bonus feats now listed at the correct levels since progression change.