Prismatic Immunes Tank (32 Barb/ 5 HS/ 3 Monk)

[mrbadexample]

This is a toon I recently got close to 60 and really loved playing. The current build is not as good as this one I posted today. This wil lbe the next version of the Immunes Tank. I decided to post it after having great performance in all of the high LL runs but Hells(solely becasue I haven't got him into hells yet.

PLease feel free to take the build and tinker with it, I know it can be improved.

Subrace: "Prismatic" (secret subrace) - requires Human (adds wings)
STR +2, CHA +2, INT -1, DEX -2, 25% immune fire, 25% immune cold, 25% immune acid, 25% immune electrical, 25% vulnerable sonic, speaks Draconic

Alignment: Neutral Good( or anything non lawfull or Evil)

Stats:
Starting(Race)
STR 16(18)
DEX 10(8)
CON 18(18)
INT 10(9)
WIS 8(8)
CHA 8(10)
*Alternate all stat boosts between STR & CON till CON is 21

Skills:
Dicipline: MAX
Intimidate: MAX
Tumble: MAX(On Monk/HS Lvls)
Lore: 6
Persuade: 8(On Monk Lvls)
Search: 4

Feats:
(Barb Lvls 1-12)
1. Toughness/Luck of Hero's
3. Weapon Prof. Exotic
6. Weapon Focus Double Weapon
9. Blind Fight
12. Alertness
(Monk Lvls 13-15 required alignment change)
15. Iron Will(should meet HS with +8 persuade, +4 search)
(HS Lvls 16-19)
16. F.E. Outsiders
18. Improved Critical: Weapon
(Barb lvls 20-39, Epic Barb @ lvl 28)
21. Epic Reflexes
24. Epic Will
27. Epic Weapon Focus: Double Weapon
30. Mighty Rage
31. Epic Powless
33. Terrifying Rage
35. Armor Skin
36. Epic Damage Reduction I
39. Epic Damage Reduction II & III
(HS Lvl 40 Dump all remaing skill points into Tumble & PP)
40. ESF: Intimidate
42. Legendary Luck of Hero's
45. Great Strength I
48. Great Strength II
51. Great Strength III
54. Great Strength IV
57. Great Strength V
60. Great Strength VI

Final Saves @ 40(60 w/gear):
Fort: 28(64)
Reflex: 25(61)
Will: 28(62)

Base AB String@ 40 battle log
Unraged w/35 rare Double-Axe(+7):
50/45/40/35
Single Rage w/35 rare Double-Axe(+15):
58/53/48/43
Double Ragew/35 rare Double-Axe(+20):
63/58/53/48

Pros:
-9 attacks per round with HS secret and Haste in Shapestrong
- Base start of 50% elemental immunes but sonic with the HS Secret
- Simular to DD damage reduction

Cons:
-Saves not quite good enough for Hells
-Hard to lvl using a double weapon due to low AC without shield
-No Heavy Armor, can use Cloak of Worldlyness to compensate

Edits:
March 13th:
-Dropped STR by 1 point for 1 point in CON to even out stats at lvl 60 & increase will save per Kaldairs suggestion.
-Changed Build Name to "Prismatic Immunes Tank"
-Took into account Borts new estimated saves at lvl 60
March 14th:
- Altered the lvl progression and dropped 2 Barb lvls to take 3 monk lvls pre-epci to have better HP with no impact on saves/AB
- Drop Fav feat from lvl 40 for ESF: Intimidate for better terrifying rage

[bort]

mrbadexample said:

Final Saves @ 40(60 w/gear):
Fort: 28(53)
Reflex: 25(50)
Will: 27(52)

Saves at 60 should be whatever your base saves are at 40, +5 for save increases in LLs +6 for having +12 con, dex and wis from gear, +20 from items/bardsong and +3 from Legendary Luck of Heroes.

With Barb as control class you also get +1 to strength, dexterity, and constitution every 5 legendary levels, which means +2 fortitude and reflex saves from having your constitution and dexterity boosted by 4 (not to mention +2 ab and +2% physical immunity increase).

Therefore... I predict your maximum saves at 60 to be much higher:
Fort: 64
Reflex: 61
Will: 61

Presumably the Will save boost from barbarian rage counts into the +20 cap so isn't worth mentioning.
Please point out any errors/omissions

[mrbadexample]

I compeletly forgot about the barb stat bonuses. But I think the stat boost on gear to incrase saves and the +universal saves count in the +20 cape, but I could be wrong

[kaldair]

Hey Bro

This looks like another solid build. As usual you build them then report on how they do up to level 60, which I appreciate as a builder myself. Nothing like actual performance to help determine a build's usefulness on HG hehe

The only "tweak" I might consider is one involving your starting & ending stats. You start with a STR of 19, then add what I think I've calculated as 6 "regular" STR boosts pre-LL, then I'm betting 10 more "regular" STR in LL's, plus 4 STR from the Barby mod, as well as the 6 Great Str you show in the build. This, if I've read the build correctly, will give you a final STR of 45. An odd ending stat doesn't help a build, and is usually only seen if it's a minimum needed to get a feat (such as 13 INT for Expertise, 21 CON for the EDR requirement, 13 DEX for Dodge, etc). A simple adjustment would be to put a point of STR into CON instead, which would gain you a point of FORT save, and I think 60 HP's, and cost you nothing. Obviously a minor point, certainly not a build-breaker.
An alternative, and requiring you to give up three other feats, is to work in 3 more Great STR, and leave the "regular" STR and CON as they were posted. Choosing which feats to give up is problematic, as I like all of them that you include in the build, which is (I'm guessing) why you don't have the additional Great STR in the build as posted 0.o
A final idea would be to tweak the stats to even numbers, then add in 4 Great STR, but then you'd have to drop 4 feats & that's a major change ....

Another thing I'd be facinated to know is how the Prismatic/HS Immunities are affecting your equipment choices, and what differences you have noticed on the Elemental KB runs? I can guess, of course, but actual play experience is better imo ...

Thanks,

Kaldair

[flynn01]

Do you get anything from 34 lvls of barbarian?

If you can drop that down to 33 lvls then I'd recommend two rogue over 1 monk. UMD is very handy for scroll use.

[mrbadexample]

Flynn,
I've played around dropping back to 32 barb and taking 3 monk instead, and it gives me better over HP with no costs to my saves which is very good.

As to your tweaks Kaldair I welcome anything to help him over all. The issues with what you posted are doable but wit hthis build very feat starved I can not afford to drop an feats for Great STR. I do like the idea of droping a STR for a point in CON at start though that will work out nicely.

As for the playing of the toon my current toon lvling was pretty straight forward. as for Gear choices I've been concentrating on gear that give % immunes. and once I could wear it I put a quantary union ring on him. This gave him 75% immunes to al lbut the sonic. Mostly the only thing that I swap out alot depending on the run is a set of armor and/shield. KB is almost none existant with the Subrace/HS Boots/Union Ring. Only Beholders and Thid's pose a problem with the sonic issues. but is easily combated like anyone else would with a Sonic Dachy ring.

[mrbadexample]

This current build version above has make it to lvl 40, and with the recent weapon changes has turned into a monster. I must say I love the build as it stands now, I will post the toon current stats in th original posting as well as try to come up with the optimal set of gear for the toon to work effectivly in most area's with little equipment change.

[lala]

The one comment I would have is whether the HS is really worth it for the following reason.
All extra attacks come at the end of the ones that show in the log, so in this case you would have 4 standard attacks.

This means 1 from haste, 2 from dual wpn, 2 from HS all come together at the end and this is very important.

Say you got the AB up to 70 for 1st attack, the extras would look like this:
70 haste
65 1st extra
60 2nd
55 3rd
50 4th
45 5th.

This means that really you lose the benefit of having many extra attacks.
Rule of thumb I stick to is to not go for more than 4 extra attacks if your AB is 75, if its closer to low 70s then no more than 3 extra (this includes haste).

Just something to think about.
Lala

[khaine]

i was under the impression that many (most) bonus attacks worked out at highest attack bonus, so +70, rather than being added on at the bottom. xD.

xD.

[lala]

khaine said:

i was under the impression that many (most) bonus attacks worked out at highest attack bonus, so +70, rather than being added on at the bottom. xD.

xD.

Sadly it looks like Bioware changed it
Several of us have verified it with various builds; they no longer are at top AB - only one of the extra attacks and as we all use haste its that.
Cheers
Lala

[mrbadexample]

The 5 HS lvls are in by design to increase the immunes given to the build with the boots. The extra attacks are just icing on the cake. Also the potions that you can create are invaluable in being able to protect youself form all forms of necro magic and recover conditions in a fight without having to bug others for assistance.

[starlandra]

indeed I find the +2 attacks the least useful thing about those boots. 25% immune is nice