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Post by cathedralmaster on Nov 14, 2006 22:34:29 GMT
There is a helm that has epic warding once per day also. I would not call it easily available at all -- it's not UR, but certainly not common, and obviously in demand since it is usable by any class. It's also rather nerfed for sorcs, since anyone who has one of those helms will almost certainly have a Mask of Mystra which is the sorc helm to use. Taking it off will blow spell slots. [Hey, knock off the snickering you wizards out there!]. Wizards can't use the unendingly awesome Bio-interface Bracers so overall I think Sorcs get the better deal.
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Post by thedomicron on Nov 15, 2006 7:11:43 GMT
i never really had survival issues even w/out warding before i got my sorc all decked out in his current gear. i think warding is nice, but in no way worth the feat. ioccasionally i'll use it from the dachy staff, but since it doesn't stack w/ premonition, i just use it for emergencies
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Post by jillybean on Nov 15, 2006 7:17:07 GMT
The only thing I would caution is that even though Epic Warding is helping you now at the farm, the extra DC will mean the difference between life and death at the higher levels. The reason most people skip Epic Warding, is because it is easily available on items (at level 35 and up iirc). Easily availale on Items? You are talking to a new player. I am realativly new I suppose and the only items I have found it on is the sash of alysium and dachy staffs, thats not a lot, and deffinitly not readily available. And where are people going where premonition works? I haven't been anywhere but the farm where premonition actually beat the fighters magical enhancement on thier weapons. I suppose at level 60 you could use premonition effectivly in Manatakloss , but that seems rediculous. As the spell progression is now I haven't used it in a long time and I really don't see a come back. I guess I just like to stay on my feet and I am more with warding than without. What buffs are you people using that is equivalent to epic warding? I took the feat and I use the staff. With EV and warding I do pretty well and thats really the only time. Cimion I don't use epic warding but iirc the dachy staff has it. So does the lvl 35 staff - not sure about the lvl 29 one. Then (maybe not so available) the UR staff has it too. Premonition is very useful, something no mage can live without. The point I was trying to make earlier is that HG is geared more for high levels. As such, changes made to spells and feats that seem totally worthless now, become absolutely necessary at LL levels. This is also the reason you see people scoff at the idea of missing out on 1dc. I encourage you to enjoy your character now, however if you don't want to waste time rebuilding it later, you really need to think about the future.
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Post by cathedralmaster on Nov 15, 2006 17:44:35 GMT
I don't use epic warding but iirc the dachy staff has it. So does the lvl 35 staff - not sure about the lvl 29 one. Then (maybe not so available) the UR staff has it too. The lvl 35 staff (Staff of Valentar) has epic mage armor on it, not epic warding. The lvl 29 staff (Staff of Axilar) has only improved invisibility and BBoD.
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Post by whodat1 on Nov 16, 2006 2:24:16 GMT
If you took epic warding as a feat, you would definitely get your use out of it, no one denies its a useful spell. Thats 2 epic wardings per day w/o swapping your staff - nice. Compare it to what your losing - most cases, its DC. So, in plain english, your trading offensive capability for defensive capability. Some would argue your trading offensive capability for survivability, and I would agree if not for the fact that the spell can be acquired through a staff. If you have it, and just want more of it, thats not a question of survivability. Whats a Sorc/Wiz in the end? For me, wizard/sorcerer = ranged dps. That means do the bare minimum to make sure you stay up, everything else goes into making you the mana catapult you were born to be
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Post by jillybean on Nov 16, 2006 2:29:30 GMT
I don't use epic warding but iirc the dachy staff has it. So does the lvl 35 staff - not sure about the lvl 29 one. Then (maybe not so available) the UR staff has it too. The lvl 35 staff (Staff of Valentar) has epic mage armor on it, not epic warding. Oops sorry, got those confused.
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Post by bhao on Nov 23, 2006 10:59:48 GMT
To "max your AB" the Paladin level just has to be on an odd numbered level pre-epic. (Hey, 1 point is 1 point!!) it doesn't matter where you take your pal level before epic. you'll always end up with the sorc 19 ab (9) + pal 1 ab (1) = 10 at level 20. otherwise, it would also be possible to get full fighter bab with a sorc10/pal10, if you took the 10 pal at odd numbered levels. (which would be really cool for bane knights)
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Post by Bakchuda on Dec 1, 2006 1:24:31 GMT
To "max your AB" the Paladin level just has to be on an odd numbered level pre-epic. (Hey, 1 point is 1 point!!) it doesn't matter where you take your pal level before epic. you'll always end up with the sorc 19 ab (9) + pal 1 ab (1) = 10 at level 20. otherwise, it would also be possible to get full fighter bab with a sorc10/pal10, if you took the 10 pal at odd numbered levels. (which would be really cool for bane knights) It doesn't quite work that way. BAB is added based on the class level, not the character level. So at level 1,3,5,7,9,etc. of sorc, you get no BAB.
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Post by thedomicron on Dec 1, 2006 1:30:33 GMT
ab really doesn't matter for sorcs though, tensers gives you all you need for touch attacks. so EFFECTIVELY, it doesn't matter when you tkae your paladin level.
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Post by bhao on Dec 5, 2006 0:28:35 GMT
It doesn't quite work that way. BAB is added based on the class level, not the character level. So at level 1,3,5,7,9,etc. of sorc, you get no BAB. that's what i was saying. sorry for the confusion. i meant, that a 1sorc1/2pal1/3sorc2/4sorc3.....20sorc19 has the same ab as a 1sorc1/2sorc2/3pal1/4sorc3....20sorc19 because both are at level 20 sorc19/pal1. order of levels doesnt matter pre-epic.
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Post by cathedralmaster on Dec 5, 2006 0:34:01 GMT
order of levels doesnt matter pre-epic. Just don't take the Pally lvl at lvl 1 cause then you only get 1 lvl from the Rowan Tree instead of 2.
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Post by thedomicron on Dec 5, 2006 8:59:09 GMT
also a paladin level at 1 would force you to get 11 wisdom
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Post by mishimayukio on Jan 8, 2007 7:15:05 GMT
Got my version of this to 60 today. The main differences is I used radiance genasi, started with 18 con, and used the bonus feats to take another epic focus. My focuses are legendary evocation and necromancy, with epic illusion and transmutation. I quite enjoyed leveling this one and foresee that I will enjoy playing her at 60 even more. Gear includes: Robes of Adoneiros Hawklight, Ectoplasmic weave, Gauntlets of Inverted Forces, The sardonic staff, Mask of Mystra, either amulet of axeria imperia or amulet of adaptation, boots of axeria imperia, Handmaiden's regret, and either sstadi s'benat or broken covenant.
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Post by zerragon on Jan 8, 2007 8:48:26 GMT
Nice sorc ! Youve used the cha artifact to reach 68 cha, right ? If so, what exactly is its effects ?
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Post by mishimayukio on Jan 8, 2007 18:14:22 GMT
Along with the +2 charisma, the cha artifact gives a permanent 15% fire immunity (stacks with radiance fire immunity and gear), as well as a 1 use/day fire shield which does about 115-125 fire damage melee kickback when someone hits you.
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