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Post by tyranlthixis on May 19, 2009 8:51:39 GMT
I think this is a great build and people have used it as evidenced by the large number of views it has received. I like that you added more information to you post. I only wished you used some color and size formating to make it more readable. Otherwise I'm happy with it.
Tyranlthixis
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Post by MightyKhan on May 19, 2009 13:31:18 GMT
holy [...] damn yer right 4,1k views lol
and yeah, color... will update my builds with that =)
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Post by tirilith on Jun 17, 2009 4:36:18 GMT
I want to thank you for this build. I couldn't find anything that worked for me. I tried lot's of different things starting off.
I kept trying a lot of the builds on this forum, but a lot of the builds used non-open subraces, and that threw me off further. In the end, I went with a cleric, and when I got to 23 realized it wasn't working for me.
I changed to this build, couldn't have been happier.
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Post by MightyKhan on Jun 17, 2009 8:34:18 GMT
and i hope you will continue to enjoy it and have just as much fun as i have had with it so far! and thank you posting - it made a somewhat gloomy morning a bit brighter
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Post by chrystoph on Jun 17, 2009 19:36:46 GMT
Thanx and as to this: This looks nicer than alot of the ur subby builds I have seen. I thinkt thats because its a lot easier to make a viable build with a UR sub, without having to pull a lot of tricks to solve the puzzle that is building. Agreed, although running this build with (Half-Elf)Dragonblooded would be very powerful. You get one less starting Lore point, making the build still achievable, and you have more Stat points to play with by virtue of the Subrace providing more bonuses. The extra immunities are also nice
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Post by MightyKhan on Oct 5, 2009 9:42:16 GMT
as soon as i get home i will update the build to include the following feat swaps: gstr 1&2 -> greater weapon focus & power critical Lluck -> L slippery soul
result:: same AB, more crits, -1 damage -4 fort, +2 will&reflex
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Post by bobownsya on Oct 5, 2009 13:33:26 GMT
Yes, I'd like to thank you for this build, Khan. It is a VERY solid tank, I managed to start the Hells with it at 55, and have made it up to Cania with no trouble. Even though my gear setup is mostly URs (with 2 or 3 BURs on), I find that I'm able to tank practically anything (even Malebranches...if the Bard's on top of their game =P).
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Post by MightyKhan on Oct 5, 2009 15:20:44 GMT
ugh, i still need cania myself.. good job mate, glad you like it
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Post by MightyKhan on Oct 29, 2009 11:41:21 GMT
edited the OP to include a part about an alternative way to get cleave. Also added a note about blindfight putting a minimum on your listen score: should you get curse/deafened etc etc and your listen drops below 60, blind fight will prevent losing too much damage output.
I'm thinking about swapping power critical to brutal throw. Youd then have to take it early in legendary levels in order to get the maximum out of it (sissy for example, thids).
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Post by MightyKhan on Nov 15, 2009 0:15:18 GMT
I managed to demi an older - slightly weaker - version of this build today. I died once - during a hassle with malebranches (of which 1 paragon) and the bard running out of UUU. Otherwise, the large chunk of HP, decent AC and crit immune ring held me standing firmly.
Here's the output of !list levels: 1 Bard
Discipline +24, Listen +63, Lore +2, Parry +23, Tumble +7, Craft Armor +63, Craft Weapon +31
- Armor Proficiency (light)
- Armor Proficiency (medium)
- Assist Other
- Bard Song
- Bardic Knowledge
- Battle Training vs. Giants
- Battle Training vs. Goblins
- Battle Training vs. Reptilians
- Command Targeter
- Devastating Critical (greatsword)
- Epic Weapon Focus (greatsword)
- Great Strength I
- Great Strength II
- Hardiness vs. Illusions
- Low-light Vision
- Luck of Heroes
- Overwhelming Critical (greatsword)
- Shield Proficiency
- Skill Affinity (Concentration)
- Skill Affinity (Listen)
- Small Stature
- Spell Focus (Illusion)
- Weapon Proficiency (simple)
2 Red Dragon Disciple
- Draconic Armor
- Hit Die Increase (d6)
3 Red Dragon Disciple
- Dragon Abilities
- Power Attack
4 Red Dragon Disciple (Strength +1)
- Dragon Breath, Fire
5 Red Dragon Disciple
- Hit Die Increase (d8)
6 Red Dragon Disciple
- Cleave
7 Red Dragon Disciple
- Hit Die Increase (d10)
8 Red Dragon Disciple (Strength +1)
9 Red Dragon Disciple
- Great Cleave
10 Red Dragon Disciple
11 Red Dragon Disciple
- Darkvision
- Immunity to Fire
- Immunity to Paralysis
- Immunity To Sleep
12 Bard (Strength +1)
Hide +5
- Bard Song
- Blind-Fight
13 Blackguard
- Armor Proficiency (heavy)
- Use Poison
- Weapon Proficiency (martial)
14 Blackguard
- Bull's Strength
- Dark Blessing
- Smite Good
15 Blackguard
- Create Undead
- Turn Undead
- Weapon Focus (greatsword)
16 Blackguard (Strength +1)
- Sneak Attack, Blackguard (+1d6)
17 Blackguard
- Summon Fiend
18 Blackguard
- Improved Critical (greatsword)
- Inflict Serious Wounds
19 Bard
- Bard Song
20 Bard (Strength +1)
Discipline +9, Use Magic Device +23, Tumble +23
- Bard Song
21 Red Dragon Disciple
Discipline +3
- Epic Character
- Epic Prowess
- Epic Red Dragon Disciple
22 Red Dragon Disciple
Discipline +3
23 Red Dragon Disciple
Discipline +3
24 Red Dragon Disciple (Strength +1)
Discipline +3
- Epic Toughness I
- Epic Toughness II
25 Red Dragon Disciple
Discipline +3
26 Red Dragon Disciple
Discipline +1, Parry +2
27 Red Dragon Disciple
Discipline +1, Parry +2
- Epic Toughness III
28 Red Dragon Disciple (Strength +1)
Discipline +1, Parry +2
- Epic Toughness IV
29 Red Dragon Disciple
Discipline +1, Parry +2
30 Red Dragon Disciple
Discipline +1, Parry +2
- Epic Toughness V
31 Red Dragon Disciple
Discipline +1, Parry +3
32 Red Dragon Disciple (Strength +1)
Discipline +1, Parry +3
- Epic Toughness VI
33 Red Dragon Disciple
Discipline +1, Parry +3
- Epic Toughness VII
34 Red Dragon Disciple
Discipline +1, Parry +3
35 Red Dragon Disciple
Discipline +1, Parry +3
36 Red Dragon Disciple (Strength +1)
Discipline +1, Parry +3
- Epic Toughness IX
- Epic Toughness VIII
37 Red Dragon Disciple
Discipline +1, Parry +3
38 Red Dragon Disciple
Discipline +1, Parry +3
39 Red Dragon Disciple
Discipline +1, Parry +3
- Epic Toughness X
40 Red Dragon Disciple (Strength +1)
Discipline +1, Parry +3
- Armor Skin
Feats not associated with any level:
Legendary Character
Legendary Dragon Disciple
Legendary Luck
Legendary Weapon Focus (greatsword)
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Post by jazzadellic on Nov 16, 2009 21:57:08 GMT
hey I'm making this build and I'm just wondering, at what level will you be big enough to wield the greatsword? Is the size growth is gradual? So is there a certain level that I will be able to wield GS two-handed and then another level when I am big enough to wield it one handed? I already trained weapon focus greatsword, but am still way too small to use it.
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Post by MightyKhan on Nov 16, 2009 22:28:11 GMT
at 30 levels of RDD, you become large sized. untill then, youll have to do with small and medium weapons..
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Post by jazzadellic on Nov 16, 2009 23:19:37 GMT
Ah I see, I kinda figured. Might be good to mention that in the build description as a side note, probably noted at the level where you choose your weapon focus, for those who don't know that, it would be an important detail. My lil guy is now level 18 iirc.
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Post by MightyKhan on Nov 16, 2009 23:38:26 GMT
fairly sure i mentioned it somewhere.. but will take another look at it, thanx
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Post by jazzadellic on Nov 19, 2009 10:52:53 GMT
Hey Khan, I'm a little fuzzy on a couple things. You said this in the original build description: "Each 40 points in craft armour and craft weapon provide 1 point of AC and AB respectively.
Maximize discipline, parry, listen and craft armour whenever possible."
Did you also mean to say maximize craft weapon whenever possible?
I don't think anywhere in the post do you mention the final numbers for the skills (i.e. discipline, craft weap/armor, etc.... So for example, do we want to stop raising craft armor and wep at 40 ?? or are we going to be able to get those to 80 ? you only get 1 point of ab / ac per every 40 of those right? so we wouldn't want to raise it to 78 or something lol right? So do we end up with 40/40 craft weap/armor or 80/80? or more? Nowhere in the post does it show final numbers of everything...
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