Post by tokidoki on Jun 2, 2009 4:37:29 GMT
So it's my first character, i decided to follow a great guide
highergroundpoa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=openbuild&action=display&thread=9415
and of course i encountered problems, because hey! it wasn't the perfect spec for me, and now i'm at level 55 and clueless on what i most likely messed up earlier.
Changed quite a few things because, well i hated them.
Took minotaur instead of drider, since drider was fat and got stuck on EVERYTHING (was human until i managed to obtain mino subrace)
Drider is
+1 Str +2 Wis -2 Cha -1 int
Bonus Feat: Blind fight
Minotaur is
+4 str, +2 Wis -2 Dex, -4 Cha
Large Size
Bonus feat: Power Attack
Also, chose human and took quick to learn, so i could also get blind fight.
Other differences include the fact that I'm using a greatsword and a shield instead of clubs, (as i disliked the idea of nerfing your damage and crit output for overwhelming critical way later with warhammers)
Also managed to take Full divination instead of enhancement, as i found gate much better then having +14 gmw (When i'm already AB capped, or so i thought)
In the end, i'm running around with
53 Str
55 Will
56 Fort
53 Reflex
Only level 55 at the moment, but assuming i get 1-2 points of each save in 5 levels, add +4 for epic reflexes, and hopefully get my pally charisma bonus working, possibly boosting them all to
60 Will
61 Fort
62 Reflex
Will those be enough to tank hells? Or will i need to obtain the pharlan subby (two copies, what fun!) and reincarnate again in order to obtain high enough saves to manage hells?
Then comes my second problem My AB
My attack bonus has never quit to confuse me to no end, somewere down the line i learned that you can only add +20 to Ab, but no my AB refuses to follow that rule!
According to my shiny combat log (no not character sheet)
Seems to be 62, without any buffs or additions, no enhancements on weps, NADA
Then my assortment of lovely buffs add themselves to the mix
Divine power, About +6 Ab (+2 Bab +4 AB)
Bless +1 Ab
Aid +1 Ab
Battletide +4 Ab
Prayer +3 AB
Gmw +13 AB
So of course, this equals about 22 Ab. or 22 that should be counted. Now only 22 ab is counted, of course that leaves me at 84 ab right?
Well.. it leaves me at 84 Ab in town!, but.... it seems in places like Rona, or DB, or just about anywhere a group is involved, i seem to suddenly have anywhere from 84-85-86-87-88 AB, IN combat log.
Now, i heard it could be listen, but that's unpossible! I never put points in listen and instead wasted them on uber heal skill!
Now it just now occurs to me, that a small amount of Ab can be attributed to craft-weapon, which i did put points into. yet since it's not at 40, i guess a bard sound could boost it to say 80. and possibly add +2.
But the odd thing here is that at the time i was beginning to notice these changes, i had base 83 AB, which means 86 is out of the question! Seeing as my craft weapon skill is +30, i could see how +70 could possibly boost it to 100, but it seems to me that theres nothing that could count for the fact that it was still 1 point HIGHER then it should have been.
Not to mention the times it peaked at 87 or 88, yeah then i was just confused.
This is not counting the roll+ab, its counting pure AB before modifyers and not from character sheet
1d20+Ab= ### i counted AB
Now assuming i manage to gain +2 AB From four points of strength i have remaining in leveling. (since i choose mino i have an extra feat too, since one more str would end up uneven and give no bonus? What feat should i choose?)
Then assuming i get the str artifact and add another +1 ab
I would end up with 87, Possibly 89 (if fighter BAB bonus increases 2, or even 90 if it increases 3)
Overall expecting POSSIBLY 92 AB at level 60 in good gear and with bard song, even more possibly 93 if i manage to get craft weapon high enough and take a feat for Craft wep.
Would this be enough for hells as well? And for that extra feat, is there anything I'm missing i should stack?
Plus if that AB glitch continues i may get 95/96/97 AB, Possibly just skimming 100 AB if i manage to take pharlan and skimp out on the last epic reflexes feat due to charisma bonus.
Sort of managed to alleviate my fears here by putting this down on paper, calculating it all out and hoping my random math is decent, the numbers look OK to me, but considering i'm a class that isn't mainstream, i feel i'm missing important values that i just don't grasp yet as a new player. Hopefully some of you can point these out.
And last but not least, when i switch from mino eventually, i will have to stop using greatsword, which shouldn't be too bad, Does greatsword really do that much more damage then bastard sword? or is it really just confirmed 2 per hit, and chance for 2 more?
highergroundpoa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=openbuild&action=display&thread=9415
and of course i encountered problems, because hey! it wasn't the perfect spec for me, and now i'm at level 55 and clueless on what i most likely messed up earlier.
Changed quite a few things because, well i hated them.
Took minotaur instead of drider, since drider was fat and got stuck on EVERYTHING (was human until i managed to obtain mino subrace)
Drider is
+1 Str +2 Wis -2 Cha -1 int
Bonus Feat: Blind fight
Minotaur is
+4 str, +2 Wis -2 Dex, -4 Cha
Large Size
Bonus feat: Power Attack
Also, chose human and took quick to learn, so i could also get blind fight.
Other differences include the fact that I'm using a greatsword and a shield instead of clubs, (as i disliked the idea of nerfing your damage and crit output for overwhelming critical way later with warhammers)
Also managed to take Full divination instead of enhancement, as i found gate much better then having +14 gmw (When i'm already AB capped, or so i thought)
In the end, i'm running around with
53 Str
55 Will
56 Fort
53 Reflex
Only level 55 at the moment, but assuming i get 1-2 points of each save in 5 levels, add +4 for epic reflexes, and hopefully get my pally charisma bonus working, possibly boosting them all to
60 Will
61 Fort
62 Reflex
Will those be enough to tank hells? Or will i need to obtain the pharlan subby (two copies, what fun!) and reincarnate again in order to obtain high enough saves to manage hells?
Then comes my second problem My AB
My attack bonus has never quit to confuse me to no end, somewere down the line i learned that you can only add +20 to Ab, but no my AB refuses to follow that rule!
According to my shiny combat log (no not character sheet)
Seems to be 62, without any buffs or additions, no enhancements on weps, NADA
Then my assortment of lovely buffs add themselves to the mix
Divine power, About +6 Ab (+2 Bab +4 AB)
Bless +1 Ab
Aid +1 Ab
Battletide +4 Ab
Prayer +3 AB
Gmw +13 AB
So of course, this equals about 22 Ab. or 22 that should be counted. Now only 22 ab is counted, of course that leaves me at 84 ab right?
Well.. it leaves me at 84 Ab in town!, but.... it seems in places like Rona, or DB, or just about anywhere a group is involved, i seem to suddenly have anywhere from 84-85-86-87-88 AB, IN combat log.
Now, i heard it could be listen, but that's unpossible! I never put points in listen and instead wasted them on uber heal skill!
Now it just now occurs to me, that a small amount of Ab can be attributed to craft-weapon, which i did put points into. yet since it's not at 40, i guess a bard sound could boost it to say 80. and possibly add +2.
But the odd thing here is that at the time i was beginning to notice these changes, i had base 83 AB, which means 86 is out of the question! Seeing as my craft weapon skill is +30, i could see how +70 could possibly boost it to 100, but it seems to me that theres nothing that could count for the fact that it was still 1 point HIGHER then it should have been.
Not to mention the times it peaked at 87 or 88, yeah then i was just confused.
This is not counting the roll+ab, its counting pure AB before modifyers and not from character sheet
1d20+Ab= ### i counted AB
Now assuming i manage to gain +2 AB From four points of strength i have remaining in leveling. (since i choose mino i have an extra feat too, since one more str would end up uneven and give no bonus? What feat should i choose?)
Then assuming i get the str artifact and add another +1 ab
I would end up with 87, Possibly 89 (if fighter BAB bonus increases 2, or even 90 if it increases 3)
Overall expecting POSSIBLY 92 AB at level 60 in good gear and with bard song, even more possibly 93 if i manage to get craft weapon high enough and take a feat for Craft wep.
Would this be enough for hells as well? And for that extra feat, is there anything I'm missing i should stack?
Plus if that AB glitch continues i may get 95/96/97 AB, Possibly just skimming 100 AB if i manage to take pharlan and skimp out on the last epic reflexes feat due to charisma bonus.
Sort of managed to alleviate my fears here by putting this down on paper, calculating it all out and hoping my random math is decent, the numbers look OK to me, but considering i'm a class that isn't mainstream, i feel i'm missing important values that i just don't grasp yet as a new player. Hopefully some of you can point these out.
And last but not least, when i switch from mino eventually, i will have to stop using greatsword, which shouldn't be too bad, Does greatsword really do that much more damage then bastard sword? or is it really just confirmed 2 per hit, and chance for 2 more?
