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Post by condude on Feb 21, 2014 20:33:43 GMT
I meant waive the two book requirement, they still need the first BUR book to tag for the subby.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 21:06:56 GMT
I really think subraces could be set loot, instead of random drop... This would lead to them being farmed and likely turned into chest fodder...would also likely turn UR subs into more meaningless loot drops than they already are ? KE. I think this perception is because most of the set loot in the game with the exception of Ely dragon drops and to a lesser extent SH chest has a reasonable drop rate compared to getting random loot you want. I think that some set loot like Amni Rings, PW Rings, SH, Wrap of the Dark Prince, Temporal Autocasters are still considered very valuable, but their drop rates actually reward the hard-working players than the lucky lottery winners.
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Post by desocupado on Feb 21, 2014 21:13:25 GMT
I propose some Gold cost to upgrade subrace tier. (it must be low, but considerable for newer player)
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Post by Yojimbo on Feb 21, 2014 21:15:11 GMT
The new toon free upgrade could easily be remedied by locking the free upgrade to once per CD Key as if someone is willing to spend $10 per toon to have "free" BURs I say let them have it. Though I am really more in favor of Torin's idea but this one I am ok with in addition just see Torin's as having a greater benefit to the server as a whole.
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Post by mish on Feb 21, 2014 21:49:24 GMT
The new toon free upgrade could easily be remedied by locking the free upgrade to once per CD Key as if someone is willing to spend $10 per toon to have "free" BURs I say let them have it. Though I am really more in favor of Torin's idea but this one I am ok with in addition just see Torin's as having a greater benefit to the server as a whole. I won't go into the methods, but this doesn't restrict it at all. Even without 'shady practices' a set of gog keys is actually 3 keys to use on HG. I propose some Gold cost to upgrade subrace tier. (it must be low, but considerable for newer player) This is a better solution, 2 billion seems a fair number, as it seems to be roughly the average price of a subrace book in the auction chest.
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Post by Yojimbo on Feb 21, 2014 21:53:37 GMT
Is a single key from the set of 3 used as the unique identifier for HG? The key(s) used in the password protection HG has is the key I am suggesting be used. I don't know exactly how the database works for HG to know how easy it would be to have multiple keys and get a free upgrade. That is more reason Torin's suggestion is better suited for the server in that it is less and possibly non-exploitable.
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Post by mish on Feb 21, 2014 21:57:57 GMT
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Post by magecat on Feb 22, 2014 14:00:07 GMT
Could always go similar to the Sphinx where it is set, but you have to have some key item with a limit on the number of times it could be used.
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Post by aeortar on Feb 22, 2014 19:17:37 GMT
My concern would be that there'll be even fewer people on the lev1-40 parts of the mod (and also the lower LL areas) if reincarnating upgrades are made too easy, making it even tougher for newer players (which is somewhat ironic given the change would presumably be intended to help newer players).
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Post by jeanhelixü on Feb 22, 2014 21:22:21 GMT
My concern would be that there'll be even fewer people on the lev1-40 parts of the mod (and also the lower LL areas) if reincarnating upgrades are made too easy, making it even tougher for newer players (which is somewhat ironic given the change would presumably be intended to help newer players). I seriously doubt many people would start a new character over from scratch anyways to go from BUR to XR when their original BUR character was 5x demi, multiple prince wins, and 100M+ xp. Vets that start new characters these days (rare anyways) are mostly doing it to try some oddball build they'd like to try and don't want to reinc another character to.
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Post by Yojimbo on Feb 24, 2014 14:23:39 GMT
Yes and HG uses the Public Key when you set a password on your account and what your bankchest are tied to. I still don't know exactly how that key is generated to know if you could make 10 public keys with out buying 10 full sets of game keys.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 14:27:01 GMT
Yes and HG uses the Public Key when you set a password on your account and what your bankchest are tied to. I still don't know exactly how that key is generated to know if you could make 10 public keys with out buying 10 full sets of game keys. Your CD Keys are actually a set of three that you can swap around to whichever one you want to show publicly. Get one toon to 60, swap Key2 with Key1, get another free BUR subby. Profit.
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Post by foxicious on Feb 24, 2014 16:13:55 GMT
The BUR subby book, suggest by Torin, could only work as an item that qualifies as a second book in your reincarnated character's inventory and does not have a "Special on-use Power".An item that it's sole purpose of existence is to bypass the "reincarnation thingy" requirement for having the item you have used to tag for a race, in your inventory, when you upgrade tiers.
That way the Anon.Book is useful only if you want to reincarnate a character into a sub race that you are already tagged for. Thus 1) You eliminate the need of a second book needed to upgrade sub race, 2) You cannot ->use<- the "Anonymous Book" to get a tag for a sub-race in another account, but only to upgrade tier by reincarnation on the account you acquired the "Anonymous book" and the first BUR-Race book you tagged with.. I wish I had the slightest coding idea but, unfortunately I do not, so I don't know if such thing is possible.
I suggest that the book drops from Asmo,that way a new player will experience all the Hell's layers at least once as an open sub, and will reincarnate after acquiring demix1, which is also useful (because reincarnating between hell's tags is a pain and you have to repeat them). Also, by the time one acquires demix1 is by far above level 60, a level that was set as checkpoint for using BUR race in the first place.
I don't know if the Anon.Book can be given an explosion mechanic (similar to looting an artifact while you have another artifact in your inventory) if the account that picks it up has already looted another book?
(Having a Level restriction would not work out well, because eventually the book will be given to a level-1 reincarnee, but someone can think of a restriction that prevents trading the book to another account, or being ->looted<- by players under level 60)
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Post by drunkenboastor on Feb 24, 2014 20:55:51 GMT
If want to make reincarnating to upgrade a subrace easier, could add a new loot that acts like a general upgrader. Could make it so it is semi restricted by making the item only work for a group of subraces.
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Post by FunkySwerve on Feb 25, 2014 0:55:00 GMT
If want to make reincarnating to upgrade a subrace easier, could add a new loot that acts like a general upgrader. Could make it so it is semi restricted by making the item only work for a group of subraces. I'm actually considering allowing people to use ANY XR book as the second general upgrader. Strikes a balance, though I don't know if its necessarily the right one. Funky
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