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Post by woqued on Oct 14, 2015 18:35:53 GMT
I apologize for letting frustrations I have about HG's current state overwhelm my good sense to keep my mouth shut. I should not have posted this rant. Raj, I understand your desire for a challenge. Low man groups are definitely more challenging and fun. I am not asking for EVERY run to be shouted out. Peoples like to do their guild runs, low man, "leave me alone, I wanna solo" runs. It just would be nice if deeper hells and abyss runs were shouted for those that don't have the opportunity to run those otherwise. I guess I am just a wuss because the main reason I don't ask to party with you guys is because I don't feel like being criticized behind my back. I am not some uber, exceptional builder, professional gamer. I play the game because it's fun. The condescension displayed by some of the Untouchables is quite deterring and I don't enjoy putting myself in that kind of situation. See that is not fun for me. I am impressed by your vault of screenie ammo . I just want to point out that the blacked out Hades screenie was one person boxing 10. I was wondering what kind of mob mess that creates, lol. Fun. Anyways, I am sure you are a great person when people are not stirring the old festering nasty pot. Again I apologize. Bale, I am sorry. You are a great guy. I get this. I just wish people would talk and get to know eachother more in-game, rather than go about with tag-greed in their eyes complaining on forums about other people minding their own business. You are free to contact other people, on forums or ingame, in private or in public, about planning runs and needs for toons. If people actually had proper conversations I'm sure we'd all be a merrier group of people. If you feel deterred from these runs, you are free to talk about it with the people in question and see if there is a way around it. I always enjoyed playing with you, I'm sad to hear the unintended(speaking for myself anyway) condescending attitude disallowed you from feeling the same.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2015 18:40:28 GMT
Woki, I especially need to apologize to you are you were so gracious to invite me into the party after my rudeness. Thank you and sorry.
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Post by Raj on Oct 14, 2015 18:49:26 GMT
Sigh, simple question, and get a boat load of charts, smoke, and subterfuge. Typical. Play on! Not really, you tried to stir shit on forum as usual taking for granted your word would be enough and now you're graciously bowing out failing at arguing. Yeah, play on. I am impressed by your vault of screenie ammo . I just want to point out that the blacked out Hades screenie was one person boxing 10. I was wondering what kind of mob mess that creates, lol. Fun. Just some stuff my nuts told me to save this last week I wasn't even in game, dunno, after a while I became and expert in predict when bad stuff is going to hit the fan. Dunno about original screen I think I blacked that for a skype joke, anyway it's quite a common istance seeing the same 3-4 guys farming while ''nothing happens'' and those spawns teach nothing given the free farm environment they're scripted in; not a bad thing per se, but from a easy way to burn some time while alone they became the main playground of the same guys who pop out crying at elitism. I don't dualbox hades at all, nor my mates do on a regular basis (or at all as well) simply because 1-2 motivated players with inflated PL power can start everything this module has to offer, and then magically a unshouted run starts. A Nessus run probably happens after we check tag list and 1-2 guys need the tag, then if there're friends on they try to fill the missing cores and let's go, eventually some lurker spots them, ta-dah, elite run. With the caveat that's not elite at all and we're in fact quite inclusive, albeit quite easy to get butthurt when the usual social justice warriors appear and the devs who aren't playing anymore are easily fooled. Your topic came out of nowhere and it surprised quite some people, me included because in my eyes you were one of last decent players rotating around the worst blacklister/useless group that's out there, and you also got included in every run you came inquiring about, included that last one where your !chat ''oh I see a Nessus I could use... and nobody is shouting runs anymore'' was slighty less than friendly (heck just hop server and ask); the only explanation is that you felt bad for your other friend who, conversely, is never approaching us and usually is seen playing useless toons in the same runs over and over, mostly relying on your help I shall add. God forbid telling some player that he could be a lot more effective at a online game if he did X and Y I suppose, in fact Nahorl twice bailed from runs after me and somebody else dared suggest for the 10th time that cold dmg vs a paragon osyluth is not a good idea or that he was wasting time with a spell the target was immune to. Don't want to have people judging your playstyle? Do not join. But then do not cry about not being included, because it looks like what you want is play the way you want making it harder/less fun for the other 9 people, people who do their best to be helpful and successful for the team; you play for fun, the other people play to carry you, or play for fun as well but then no run happens because you can't make it. You call criticize, I call help. If it sounds harsh it might be because the target is not some fresh newbie we're training but the same lazy old sob who never learns. Woki, I especially need to apologize to you are you were so gracious to invite me into the party after my rudeness. Thank you and sorry. Meh, I should bow out of this because (the novelty!) I wasn't even part of last issue, but had to react quick with facts to try stop the nth drama thread. It's all good, as I said you were one of the last AD hopes and I knew of no reason why you should have felt left out, if we exclude grumpy forum vets sharing their bad feelings and misinforming you.
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Post by Mister Pin on Oct 14, 2015 18:58:57 GMT
I should have edited my last post bu i was in a hurry- Woku - thanks for the clear and concise answer - i appreciate that. Raj; your obvious collections of things past that you find you must keep for "ammunition" later and not having the whole story but just the facts that make you look good proves my point. I asked a simple question, and you had to throw that in my face- you MUST be a politician in RL, or just a good B.S. artiste. Anyway im done here- rant away to your hearts content.
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Post by Raj on Oct 14, 2015 19:34:22 GMT
I should have edited my last post bu i was in a hurry- Woku - thanks for the clear and concise answer - i appreciate that. Raj; your obvious collections of things past that you find you must keep for "ammunition" later and not having the whole story but just the facts that make you look good proves my point. I asked a simple question, and you had to throw that in my face- you MUST be a politician in RL, or just a good B.S. artiste. Anyway im done here- rant away to your hearts content. Yes you 'also' asked a single question. Done here as well, glad it all turned out well and we resolved it in a friendly way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 9:27:26 GMT
For various reasons I have not been on HG for a while. I am sorry to see this old flame war again. @woku – I agree with you, people should try and talk with each other rather than sniping on chat or forums. Some of the people here hate each other and I doubt they have ever even talked. How mad is that. I cannot imagine anyone dislikes you as you were always a great person to party with whenever I ran with you (which was a while ago now). @raj – You are a great player and really the last one left in my era of playing. You can breeze through any run and attract to you other players who want to learn and do deeper level runs. As such you have predictably attracted some flak from people who would like you to lead from the front. I think you have every right to play with whom you please and call other people ‘nubs’ for their efforts at the game if you like. You have always done this to as far back as I can remember. (I even remember way back another great player calling you a noob). Some can take it but not all I think this is just life. You are an intelligent guy so I am sure you know how your actions/words will affect some people. The only thing I would say to you is that you do have a great pulling power for the server if you choose to use it. The odd run call (1 in 10 or something) would be fantastic for newer players (and even some oldies) just to add a little grist to the mill. Honest to god 99% of the people here are really just trying to have a good time and (regardless of their skill level at the game) are decent folks at heart. Sure you may end up dragging a couple of sub-par toons or ‘newb vets’ but smile and wave as we say in my office. You do not have to of course but I am just saying. I am sure the people who find your style a bit brutal will steer clear. Let’s all try and call a truce to this petty argument which has been going on for like 5 years losing us players bit by bit along the way - frankly who cares who started it or who said what to who 3 years ago. @mister Pin and Ray – You are both in my Guild and I know how much you and others have been saddened at the decline of HG. I do not think you can blame the few vets left. The time when there were multiple runs going on and you could join up and do your best without being too harshly judged are gone. The vets left doing the deepest runs (and really this appears to only be Raj + whoever asks to go with him) have always been the same as far as I remember. It is I think unfair to expect them to shoulder the burden which we should all be doing really if we want the server to survive and (although rather savagely put) I think this is kind of the point being made above. It is a rather unrealistic thought trap which I have fallen into myself in the past. History of HG shows that it is unlikely people will change, they are more likely just to leave and find another game to play if forced to do anything they do not like and let’s face it most old timers have already done this. reelroleplayer – You are the type of person I wish I had got to know better. @utempta – Stick with it – the server population is low but there is still fun to be had. Stay Cool Kratlin (hope to be back soon)
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Post by Ulatempa Poetess on Oct 16, 2015 10:14:08 GMT
Just to point out I never blamed any vet beside myself as I'm the only one I know well enough to know being at fault at times. Though I'd only call myself a vet in terms of hours played not deep content explored. What I was trying to point out is that vets hold alot of sway with making newer people stay and feel at home which as some mentioned is better done with loads of advice and company, not handouts. Rather I'm quite impressed on how long HG has survived, it's just a server, a mod, in an actual and very old game. My personal experience with veterans on HG has almost always been very positive(beside an occational asshat who invites, says nothing, laughs himself silly at your lack of levitation, doesn't ress and runs away laughing even more. Very rare mind you, happened.. once I think in my first Rona or something) and I hope to have yet some more fun on HG.. as soon I get my account back
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Post by chirality on Oct 16, 2015 15:37:36 GMT
frankly who cares who started it or who said what to who 3 years ago. Apparently not you? But that's a bit selfish, considering that other people actually do exist?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 16:53:46 GMT
If anything came over as selfish/rude/accusatory/flippant that was not my intention - context is difficult to get right on forums. It's an honest to god attempt to see if there is a way through all of this. Maybe impossible I do not know but I gave it a try. I can't possibly speak for anyone but myself. There is no hidden agenda here from me.
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Post by isania on Oct 16, 2015 19:57:06 GMT
As a new person to the server... I don't see why there's so much tension..... It's human nature to want to game with people you click with. I suppose that's the purpose of the guilds in the first place. I have no expectations that Vets should have to help new players... It's nice when they choose to though! As for the runs etc... Surely over time as people lvl and get to meet some of the higher lvl guys doors will open if you just play nice and enjoy the crack. It's just a game guys! Don't forget the reason we are all doing this is for fun and often to unwind after work etc! Lol Don't turn nwn into a nagging wife scenario where everyone is getting catty! I've been lucky enough to encounter several very friendly helpful people on hg... Have yet to meet any idiots! It seems a great place to play... Anyway bit of a pointless post seen as Benjamin is only at lvl 30.. Maybe it'll all feel different in 30 lvl time in which case I will come back.. Edit this post and give out! :-)
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Post by reelroleplayer on Oct 16, 2015 22:51:12 GMT
frankly who cares who started it or who said what to who 3 years ago. Apparently not you? But that's a bit selfish, considering that other people actually do exist? I haven't commented on any of your posts up to this point because you seem pretty immature and overly sensitive and my hunch is I'd just be wasting my time, since you'll likely just find a way to deflect the blame from yourself regardless - but...really dude? That's what you extracted from his post? He was obviously trying to go out of his way to be nice, and you pick out the one comment (where he's clearly trying to indicate we should all live and let live) and yet somehow you still manage to find fault with it? Troll harder...or maybe just take your own advice and 'stfu' if you have nothing nice to say (as I've seen you repeatedly tell others in recent threads).
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Post by chirality on Oct 17, 2015 17:23:03 GMT
I never told anyone to stfu if they don't have anything nice to say--I would never make such an inane request. I said stfu if you don't play--a remark poking fun at the many rants of "why do you post on forums if you don't play" which I saw in recent years by some of the same people I directed that comment at. If you don't know what I'm talking about, then you missed the irony. If there was supposed to be an apology in there somewhere (for never before in last 2yrs of this same drama) admitting things like "Raj has the right to play with who he wants" and "we shouldn't expect Raj to shoulder our burden", it was cleverly-hidden amongst the feeble attempts to garner pity and smooth over things that require ingame behavior to smooth over, not empty forums jabber. If that was a genuine attempt to somehow take responsibility for "falling into the trap" of insulting the people who were begged-on-threat-of-being-banned to help everyone else out, it was overshadowed by the rest. You, he, and anyone else whose fragile senses of self-worth have been irreparably damaged by my rudeness can prove me wrong (about you being lazy and useless) at any point, if you so desire. I challenge you--no, I defy you--to do something productive with your game time and begin forming and then shouting the endgame runs that you're so obsessed with watching me do without you. I defy you to put solid effort into transforming from a "I don't play this game seriously I just play it for fun and ride on the coattails of those who do play it seriously" slacker, into a deep runner that knows wtf he's talking about when he posts in a build thread or gives a newbie advice. I defy you to learn endgame and form your own parties and schedule your own prince fights. I defy you to post anything other than whiney responsibility-evading ambiguities in response to this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 19:38:40 GMT
Sigh - anyone who would like to talk about this with me just send me a private tell - Raj in particular if you want to I would be interested to hear your thoughts even if they are just 'get bent'.
Bale nothing I posted here was about you. I have never talked or run with you and you seem very angry at me but I am struggling to work out why. Let's try and go on a run sometime and see how we get on?
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Post by Werehound Silverfang on Oct 18, 2015 0:21:44 GMT
I can't believe how the tension has exploded here; the fewer people play, the more the sugar sprinkles hits the fan... Why?
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Post by reelroleplayer on Oct 18, 2015 5:30:27 GMT
HG breeds some pretty poor trolls, considering how quickly they trip over themselves to prove me right when I call them out for it. I can help, though: the English 101 word of the day is 'concision'; look it up, you might find it useful if you actually want anyone to fully read the drivel you spew as argument.
And just to set the record straight, I play whatever portion of the game I find entertaining and am only willing to spend my time doing so with friendly, cooperative people.
Outside of that, I couldn't give two shits about anyone's supposed skill and knowledge in a video game (I can't be the only one who finds this attitude laughable), so not only would I refuse to run with condescending punks like you, I sure as hell won't subscribe to whatever weird fantasy-land vet respect you and some others here seem to think you deserve.
If, on the other hand, you want to lose the attitude and engage in civil conversations that don't involve creating drama, spewing vitriol, condescension and general rudeness, I imagine most people would be receptive to that.
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