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Post by Enius the White on Dec 21, 2020 21:28:18 GMT
Very cool!
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Post by merkley on Dec 21, 2020 23:12:08 GMT
It's a Christmas miracle! Thanks Funky and team!!!
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Post by desocupado on Dec 21, 2020 23:32:19 GMT
To bring wizards up to snuff, we will be implementing some back-burner stuff. Specifically five wizard-only spells: Spell Matrices (Lesser, normal, Greater) - these will each be multispells ala Shades with 5 subspells; you will be able to pre-set combinations of 2, 3, and 4 spells respectively in them, so that when you cast a matrix, all 2, 3, or 4 spells fire in order, at the same time, with one cast action. Rary's Mnemonic Enhancer - recharges spells by consuming others of the same or higher level. Spell Engine - you select a target type, cast a spell, and create a stationary Spell Engine that hunts for other similar targets and casts the same spell on them autonomously. The spells cast by the engine, at a rate of one per round, do not come out of the wizard's memorized spells. You would select a target type, cast a spell, and create a stationary spell engine that hunts for other similar targets and casts the same spell on them. Funky Multi casting seems a quite slot intensive between the original spell and the matrix. I think most people will simply repeat the same spell, or do something like bestow + combust/detonate. And of course Asssay resistance for Limbo+. Fake spontaneous casting look a bit complicated to use on the fly. Spell turret seems like something quite fun. Greater orb turrets ftw. Or aoe instant kill/damage. Couldn't this 'shades' type of spell create an actual shades type spell for orbs?
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Post by boroie on Dec 21, 2020 23:38:03 GMT
This sounds very interesting!
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Post by starcore on Dec 22, 2020 0:50:29 GMT
So, there's a lot of inaccurate information in this thread, like characterizing this as a 'wizard problem' when in reality it dates back to the 2008 channeling edit. But, given that we have found a solution likely more palatable to all, I'm going to skip the history lesson and just pass on the game plan. To bring wizards up to snuff, we will be implementing some back-burner stuff. Specifically five wizard-only spells: Spell Matrices (Lesser, normal, Greater) - these will each be multispells ala Shades with 5 subspells; you will be able to pre-set combinations of 2, 3, and 4 spells respectively in them, so that when you cast a matrix, all 2, 3, or 4 spells fire in order, at the same time, with one cast action. Rary's Mnemonic Enhancer - recharges spells by consuming others of the same or higher level. Spell Engine - you select a target type, cast a spell, and create a stationary Spell Engine that hunts for other similar targets and casts the same spell on them autonomously. The spells cast by the engine, at a rate of one per round, do not come out of the wizard's memorized spells. You would select a target type, cast a spell, and create a stationary spell engine that hunts for other similar targets and casts the same spell on them. Funky Any pale master love for these? or CC wizard only?
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Post by woqued on Dec 22, 2020 2:54:41 GMT
So, there's a lot of inaccurate information in this thread, like characterizing this as a 'wizard problem' when in reality it dates back to the 2008 channeling edit. But, given that we have found a solution likely more palatable to all, I'm going to skip the history lesson and just pass on the game plan. To bring wizards up to snuff, we will be implementing some back-burner stuff. Specifically five wizard-only spells: Spell Matrices (Lesser, normal, Greater) - these will each be multispells ala Shades with 5 subspells; you will be able to pre-set combinations of 2, 3, and 4 spells respectively in them, so that when you cast a matrix, all 2, 3, or 4 spells fire in order, at the same time, with one cast action. Rary's Mnemonic Enhancer - recharges spells by consuming others of the same or higher level. Spell Engine - you select a target type, cast a spell, and create a stationary Spell Engine that hunts for other similar targets and casts the same spell on them autonomously. The spells cast by the engine, at a rate of one per round, do not come out of the wizard's memorized spells. You would select a target type, cast a spell, and create a stationary spell engine that hunts for other similar targets and casts the same spell on them. Funky Interesting. Few questions: Will you be able to put the same spell several times in a Matrice, effectively mimicking Spell Engine but in one cast and consuming the extra slots? That sounds pretty op so I guess not. Will Rary's Mnemonic Enhancer consume randomly from your book anything that isn't the one you choose, or in some specific pre-selected order? Will there be a harsh limit to how many Spell Engines / Matrices you can use per rest, beyond spell slot limitations in itself? Can the Spell Engine be destroyed by enemies or spells that break, and does it have a physical form (i.e cannon - blocking movement) - or is it more like a Healing Spirit, only stationary? Interesting concepts nonetheless. These should indeed put sorcs to shame, unless they're too... Clunky to use somehow. Spell Matrice with... mord + weird + cod, oh dear lord almighty come to papa Spell Matrice with mord+bb9 oh yeah Spell Matrice with mord assay bb9 oh please don't stop Spell Matrice with assay enervate wrack am I the palemaster now ED + Enervate... TClap + Gust... Flame weapon + Elec weapon + GMW + Keen... Mind Fog + Antipathy + Mass Charm for the I.CC button Preset all cloud spells by putting one button press to land both actually making them usable even in faster parties... Siege Engine TClaps in Nessus... Siege Engine Banish in Elysium/Abo boss fight, DBFB siege engine in Orcus fights... Prism Spray engine for Abo mini, no more slot problems! Yeah, I can see this being... something something something. Imagine if flensing stacking and RG were still what they used to be, holy moly, do I need to start leveling a wizard now?
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Post by FunkySwerve on Dec 22, 2020 3:43:11 GMT
Any pale master love for these? or CC wizard only? PMs can use these if they are CC wizard. Funky
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Post by FunkySwerve on Dec 22, 2020 3:48:01 GMT
Interesting. Few questions: Understanding that these are not implemented yet and that the answers may change: Unsure. No idea. No, but recall that you have to preset the spells somehow, which will be somewhat of a limit. Probably not. A few of these will need playtest to avoid anything too crazy. Funky
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Post by starcore on Dec 22, 2020 4:25:17 GMT
Any pale master love for these? or CC wizard only? PMs can use these if they are CC wizard. Funky Apologies I'm not great with the implications of all the terminology yet... CC refers to the class you have the most levels in, pre 40 correct? So 10Wiz/30PM would not be eligible as the CC would be pale master? And a 20Wiz/20PM would be eligible? (And would this technically be called a wizard with a PM splash?)
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Post by manuka on Dec 22, 2020 4:36:10 GMT
Spell Engine - you select a target type, cast a spell, and create a stationary Spell Engine that hunts for other similar targets and casts the same spell on them autonomously. The spells cast by the engine, at a rate of one per round, do not come out of the wizard's memorized spells. You would select a target type, cast a spell, and create a stationary spell engine that hunts for other similar targets and casts the same spell on them. Funky This is what i was asking for with the the GI cannon, untargetable and unkillable. unsure why wizards are allowed this but it was a hard no for GI?? Can GI cannon be made untargetable and unkillable and have its damage increased?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 4:50:19 GMT
Any pale master love for these? or CC wizard only? PMs can use these if they are CC wizard. Funky I imagine CC Wizard Gnomish Inventor's will also have access?
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Post by manuka on Dec 22, 2020 4:54:47 GMT
PMs can use these if they are CC wizard. Funky I imagine CC Wizard Gnomish Inventor's will also have access? However GI is meant to be the CANNON creator and its wizard spells arnt cast all full power
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Post by FunkySwerve on Dec 22, 2020 4:58:47 GMT
PMs can use these if they are CC wizard. Funky I imagine CC Wizard Gnomish Inventor's will also have access? Honestly no idea on this one. Will make for quite a debate with the team I imagine. Funky
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Post by FunkySwerve on Dec 22, 2020 5:00:23 GMT
PMs can use these if they are CC wizard. Funky Apologies I'm not great with the implications of all the terminology yet... CC refers to the class you have the most levels in, pre 40 correct? So 10Wiz/30PM would not be eligible as the CC would be pale master? And a 20Wiz/20PM would be eligible? (And would this technically be called a wizard with a PM splash?) CC is control class, as defined in documentation. Since a 20/20 would have had to take wiz first, it'd be cc wiz. Funky
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Post by starcore on Dec 22, 2020 5:34:50 GMT
Thanks that clears things up. Appreciate it.
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