Cleric/Wizard Class Idea

[Ralkain]

Funky,

I had an interesting Cleric/Wizard class idea that I think would be fairly easy for you to pull off. Almost every mythology has a deity who's relm of speciality is magic, but no one ever plays Mage/Clerics due to caster level restrictions.

My idea is for HG to sort of create a "Worshiper of the Arcane" class (Cleric/Wizards who have the magic domain). And allowing them to add their Cleric/Wizard levels together for *all* caster level purposes? This is for Wizards only since they mem their spells like clerics (only they are really praying instead of meming in this case). They still won't be as good as pure casters on spell saves at since they will likely have 2 high stats instead of 1, and thus not get as big a stat add to saving throws.

Essentially they'd act like 1 class with expanded spell selection and per day (since they get slots from both classes), but have the disad of needing to swap (pray for) spells all the time when going to different areas.

Sorcs will still reign supreme, with their spells/day (since all item slot bonuses will be sorc , but we'll see more wiz's/clerics on the server.

They will have to weigh which spell/stat slot items they want to use for their casting classes, except perhaps for the immortal ring which would work nicely for them (bonuses to both classes .

Use it if you like it, but not if you don't.

Dave.

[Ironfang]

I don't think your Prime Ability Modifier (ie: WIS - Cleric / CHR - Sorc) is added when calculating spell penetration, just caster level + feats + d20 roll.

[Ralkain]

ironfang said:

I don't think your Prime Ability Modifier (ie: WIS - Cleric / CHR - Sorc) is added when calculating spell penetration, just caster level + feats + d20 roll.

Yep you're right, I meant spell saves (had penetration on the brain there). I've changed it.

Dave.

[FunkySwerve]

Nice idea, but not particularly easy to do - spell penetration would be a big problem, as well. There'd also be a big problem with deciding what stat to use for what spell, since there's no script command like GetIsSpellArcane, and the way I do it currently relies on the highest stat to determine arcane/divine in some instances. The workaround is to send arcane/divine information with every spell, and setting that up would be a nightmare. Maybe if Bioware gives us the right functions to do it; but otherwise no.

Funky

[Ralkain]

funkyswerve said:

Nice idea, but not particularly easy to do - spell penetration would be a big problem, as well.

I figured you had most the caster level thing already worked out during the PM caster level increase (which affects penetration, duration, etc).

There'd also be a big problem with deciding what stat to use for what spell, since there's no script command like GetIsSpellArcane, and the way I do it currently relies on the highest stat to determine arcane/divine in some instances.

Wow this is surprising, what does normal NWN do when a Cleric/Wizard casts Bull's Strength? Are you saying it doesn't know if you cast the cleric version or the Wizard version? That seems broken, but even if so, you're method of using the highest stat seems fine for the class since it really is like 1 class and there aren't many overlapping spells.

Dave

[FunkySwerve]

It's not an issue for normal NWN, it's an issue for the scripts I use, which enable stuff like the PM dc bonus (and soon, the Legendary spell focuses etc). And its a BIG problem if I were to allow divine/arcane spelllevel overlap, because then they get to use their highest stat for all their spells, arcane or otherwise.
Funky

[Ralkain]

funkyswerve said:

It's not an issue for normal NWN, it's an issue for the scripts I use, which enable stuff like the PM dc bonus (and soon, the Legendary spell focuses etc). And its a BIG problem if I were to allow divine/arcane spelllevel overlap, because then they get to use their highest stat for all their spells, arcane or otherwise.

Can you just use Wis when the spell could be either arcane or divine (all their spells are essentially granted). So Fireball would use Int (no overlap), but Bull's Strength Wis?

Just an idea, if it can't be done, it can't. Take care.

Dave.

[FunkySwerve]

No, because that would involve marking each spell as such, before considering statistics, as I described above.
Funky