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Post by Delfestra Ruinvorn on Mar 25, 2006 14:24:38 GMT
I'm considering making one...paladin that is. So I can actually get hit or breathed on by Dachy and not instantly die for a change I know I'll need 25 cha someday. And 14 wis. And clearly, it will be my STR that does damage as it is my AB My starting CHA is 18. My starting STR is 16. How high do other people have those numbers to begin? At the end? Thoughts? Tips? Is trading 4 pts of con for 2 pts of str at character generation a "good trade" in your opinions? Inquiring proto-hitters want to know. (Because that is the best icon in the world)
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Post by fusa on Mar 25, 2006 16:08:23 GMT
38 charisma (including +12 from items) should be enough to get your saves over 60 if you take 10 cot lvls. If you want to hit anything you will need over 40 str with items to get 60 ab.
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Post by Lord FlashHeart on Mar 25, 2006 17:13:39 GMT
CoT levels are irrelevent when calculating saves as they are included in the +20 cap to saves by magical means which can be easily obtained via items, spells, bardsong etc (although the char sheet says differently).
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Post by fusa on Mar 25, 2006 17:23:49 GMT
it does add to attack which a pally really needs and gets same number of extra feats as a fighter. If you want great smite 10 by level 40 10 cot levels is really recommended
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Post by doomsdaybringer on Mar 25, 2006 20:12:40 GMT
the dragonslayer is +15 ab to dragon so pally with divine favor should already max their +20ab vs dachy anyway........ fuse is right 10 cot is good idea but u would have to go for 29 pally/10cot and 1 monk and ur max gmw will only be +12. this build would have 15 epic feat 10 would need to go into smit 1 into epic weapon fouc 1 into epic prowess 1 into amrskin and u have 2 more fear to choice whatever u want ps. i advice u take one cot lvl before epic to max ur relfex save.
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Post by Delfestra Ruinvorn on Mar 26, 2006 3:50:57 GMT
38 charisma (including +12 from items) should be enough to get your saves over 60 if you take 10 cot lvls. If you want to hit anything you will need over 40 str with items to get 60 ab. Is it possible to get both values up that high? (Prismatic subrace, 16 str and 18 cha at level 1 including racial modifiers) I was planning to take 27 pal / 12 CoT / 1 monk... My reading of the greater smite skill-alteration leads me to believe that Pal/CoT levels COMBINE for damage calculation. Is this correct? And at 27, a pally can use both guardian angel and mass res - according to the book descriptions. Are they correct? And - another question of note is about weapons. Pally roleplay seems to demand either a longsword or a bastard sword...and I am VASTLY ignorant as to weapon availability. Is there such a thing as a ssithrak LS / BS? Or MoaD ones? I presume there are Dustbone ones, and also random ones along the way? Is this true? Though...Mishima brings up scimitar for crits and potentially better damage type choices through available weapons in the world. Thoughts? Opinions? Comments on the build type or weapon choices?
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Post by fusa on Mar 26, 2006 5:13:38 GMT
There are sssis bs/ls, random bs/ls, db bs/ls, and moad bs/ls and other weapons of one of those types that are good against certain enemies. Really wouldnt need over 10 cot since after 10 next boost is at lvl 15, (unless you want the extra feat) You will want more pally lvls for at least gmw +12 You should be able to get mass rez and guardian angle and other secrets with that many pally lvls.
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Post by Delfestra Ruinvorn on Mar 26, 2006 7:39:46 GMT
I was thinking of 12 for the extra feat, plus without my books handy I didn't know what CoT got after 10.
And...I may be missing something in my utterly depleted state, but how is it that paladins get +12 gmw?
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Post by Lord FlashHeart on Mar 26, 2006 10:47:52 GMT
you dont get an extra feat for 12 CoT the feat every 2 levs stops when you hit 10 and changes to 1 every 4. Lev 29 paladin however does give you a bonus feat so 29pally/10cot/1monk actually has 1 more feat than 27pally/12cot/1monk
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Post by Grogbot on Mar 26, 2006 11:49:11 GMT
You should be able to get mass rez and guardian angle and ... Well now you're just being obtuse ... *cough* Grog PS Cakes are round but pi r square
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Post by Delfestra Ruinvorn on Mar 26, 2006 15:09:35 GMT
you dont get an extra feat for 12 CoT the feat every 2 levs stops when you hit 10 and changes to 1 every 4. Lev 29 paladin however does give you a bonus feat so 29pally/10cot/1monk actually has 1 more feat than 27pally/12cot/1monk Aaaaaaah. Thats what happens when one doesn't have their books handy. I do see what you mean, of course. And I presume Grogbot is referring to the CoT secret...which I'd utterly forgotten about. Pally secret weapon I *think* I have, if not I know right where it is. Only issue is that I don't have any idea what it does, so its kinda hard to plan weapon preferences around them. I think I may go LS though. No one really seems to favor them, and as much as Mishima is right about the droolworthy crit range with a scimitar...the idea of a paladin with a scimitar breaks my roleplay/consistency brain. TY all for your opinions Keepem comin.
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Post by Grogbot on Mar 26, 2006 19:31:01 GMT
And I presume Grogbot is referring to the CoT secret...which I'd utterly forgotten about Sorry Delf, no, just a really bad pun on Fusa's typo .... Grog
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Post by doomsdaybringer on Mar 26, 2006 20:14:46 GMT
you dont get an extra feat for 12 CoT the feat every 2 levs stops when you hit 10 and changes to 1 every 4. Lev 29 paladin however does give you a bonus feat so 29pally/10cot/1monk actually has 1 more feat than 27pally/12cot/1monk Aaaaaaah. Thats what happens when one doesn't have their books handy. I do see what you mean, of course. And I presume Grogbot is referring to the CoT secret...which I'd utterly forgotten about. Pally secret weapon I *think* I have, if not I know right where it is. Only issue is that I don't have any idea what it does, so its kinda hard to plan weapon preferences around them. I think I may go LS though. No one really seems to favor them, and as much as Mishima is right about the droolworthy crit range with a scimitar...the idea of a paladin with a scimitar breaks my roleplay/consistency brain. TY all for your opinions Keepem comin. LS is a good idea. u get to use ginse which does 2d8 magic and 2d12 fire electirc and neg. the random LS is called fate sealer ( not sure) does magic positive sonic cold electric(not sure on electric) and this weapon alot more easy to find then random BS( +7 one) which i havent seen anyone use...... the main problem with u choosing LS is that the dragonslayer is a bastard sword and it is great against dragon. big surpise there.. i think it is +15ab vs dragon +8 ech vs dragon 2d8 magic 2d12 magic vs dragon 2d12 divine vs dragon (not sure but it does do divine damage vs dragon) the 2d8 and 2d12 magic does stuck if u are wondering. plus u as a pally get divine favour which +5ab +5 magic. u should have at least 25 cha which is +7mordifer and +12 from buff so 37 cha and addation of +13 divine damage. and so vs a dragon u can do: magic damage +2d8 +2d12 +5 so average 9+13+5=27 divine damage +2d12 +13 so average 13+13= 26 even if that dragon u are fighting ahve 10/- vs magic and divine u can still do average damage of 33 damge at lvl 40..... hope this information help..... ps. if u do plan to choose LS at least get a dragonslayer and carry a cloak of wholeless(in import shop) with u. this way u can use dragonslayer vs dragon as long u wear cloak of wholess.
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Post by Delfestra Ruinvorn on Mar 27, 2006 16:41:29 GMT
And I presume Grogbot is referring to the CoT secret...which I'd utterly forgotten about Sorry Delf, no, just a really bad pun on Fusa's typo .... Grog !! I'd missed that entirely!! Now I am amused And Doomsdaybringer: Thank you very much! I believe I shall go with LS. I could steal a point from strength since it ends on an odd number at 40 to take exotic...we'll see. Now I have things to trade for then Maybe someday I'll be able to put those Illithid longswords in my bank to some good use. mwuhahaha!
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Post by symonkross on Mar 27, 2006 18:22:49 GMT
How do you get guardian angel and mass res ? Do you need a specific quest item for each?
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