Big Red 20 rdd/18 monk/2 bard

[thedomicron]

Ok just when i said i settled on a monk buid, i lied, kind of. this is technically an rdd build but its pretty close. the idea is that you combine the defensive capabilities of the monk with the raw power of the rdd and have yourself a Large sized (just gravy really) toon with unarmed attacks and good enough (hopefully) survivability to tank.

ok here we go

Half-Kyton elf
starting stats
str 17
dex 16 -> 20
con 7 -> 11
wis 16 -> 20
rest into int

progression: 18 monk, 1 bard, 20 rdd, 1 bard.

feats:
toughness
weapon focus unarmed
improved critical
blind fight
lightning reflexes
great fortitude
iron will

epic feats:
epic toughness 1-5
epic weapon focus
armor skin
epic reflexes
epic fortitude

legendary feats:
toughness 6-10
great dex 1-2


@ 40
ab: 40
fort 31
reflex 30
will 32


the good:
great hp
good ab
good saves

the bad:
projected ac @ 60 of 120
50% conceal

the ugly:
your face

anyhow lemme know what you think, i'm not sure the good outweighs the bad, but i'm hoping for some advice

[the1kobra]

Just one thing, your stat layout, is it really neccesary to have a con of *7*?, Can't you take a point out of str, (the 17, which is odd anyway), and put 3 into con?. That gives you a total con of 14., and only hurts your Str by 1. I guess you could also take another point out of str and dump it into con as well, giving you a total of 15 str and 16 con. This character is a dex based build right?
Also, about feats, if you're going dexer, you might want to consider taking luck of heroes instead of Lightning reflexes. I can't see how a build would have a problem with the save keyed to his primary stat.
Another thing, can't you take out your epic reflexes and epic fort and take G-dexes or epic toughnesses instead?. You could always take the legendary reflex or fort in LLs as you have the base feat. (Or take Legendary luck if you switch that out.)
Last thing, I think taking another monk level at 40 will help you out more than the bard level. I know its a pain to switch your alignments, but I think the extra monk level would be worth it.
Just some things I wanted to point out.
T1K

[thedomicron]

your constitution will end up at 14 as this build gives 7 with half-kyton and 3 points from rdd. i didn't put any more because the epic toughnesses will give you some health, but also the ac from this build is pretty low, and neither is the conceal exceptional.

you could certainly replace the epic saves with legendary saves, but i was in no hurry to do so. its personal preference. i went through and tried to see if legendary luck was good (i originally planned to use it) but i think that not taking worked out better for me in the test chamber.

monk level at 40 lets you max out concentration and dicipline and tumble. bard at 40 gives you umd as well, not that you'll really have enough points to use. unfortunately i don't think the monk level gives you anything in the way of SR (rdd gives better sr) or conceal

thanks for the imput, i'm still working on this build.

and this build is str based, because rdd gives str but no dex.

[sabregirl]

Unless you're going to put armor and shield on this build, and give up monk unarmed AB progression I think it will be very fragile. I assume you're counting 50% conceal from empty body which will be of very short duration with only 18 monk levels and no monk control class and of course only twice a day. I'd say if you wanted to do an unarmed RDD strength type, it's best done with zenythri and heavier on the monk (30+ levels) rather than on the RDD for better conceal. 20+ monk will also give you mind immunity, pretty crazy SR especially with the HK feats and tumble in legendary levels for better AC. Don't know why you're going elf on this build as I don't see sacrificing 2 con for 2 dex to be much benefit and it just constrains your classe balance to avoid xp penalty. If I were you, and I were going to stick with the build as heavy on the RDD, I would reduce the dex go all strength take the armor feats and choose a melee weapon and put on more RDD levels. Though if I were intent on using half kyton it would be hard not to make a WM RDD out of it.

-S

[thedomicron]

haha i sacrificed con for dex because of the bonuses to dex given by rdd, and the low ab.

anyhow this build doesn't look like its going to happen, for the reasons above, and cuz kh is a dexer subby.

anyhow its back to the drawing board haha.

thanks guys