Teeth Cleaning Monk 31 monk/ 7 wm/ 2 ftr

[Master Jaxx]

Hi all, been asked a few times to post this build so here it is.

Overview: Dual weilding toon capable of a very high ac, good saves, good ab and massive damage output. Period. Some concealment thrown in for good measure via Empty Body monkey feat.

Subs to use: Planewalker or Half-Kyton (Human)
Gonna use Half-Kyton since it the most ideal subby to use.
Uses Handaxes!
Starting Stats:

STR 8
DEX 18 --> (22) (Take DEX every stat increase)
CON 11 --> (15)
WIS 14 --> (18)
INT 13
CHA 8

Lvls/Feats

Lvl 1 Half-Kyton starts you with Dodge, Mobility. At character creation take expertise, toughness.

Pretty basic from here on out. Take all wm pre-requ feats asap. Once you have the required feats take offensive feats such as improved crit, wep finesse, two wep fighting, ambidexterity, and so on.

Note: I had these feats by 20th lvl. Dodge, Mobility, Expertise, Spring Attack, Whirlwind Attack, Wep Finesse, Toughness, wep focus Handaxe, Blind Fight, Improved Crit Handaxe, Two wep fighting and Ambidex.

For epic feats pretty basic and easy. Take Blind Fighting, Then what I did is take Great Con I to get base Con to 16. Then hit up
Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Epic Prowess
Epic Wep focus Handaxe
First Bonus Monkey feat take Armor Skin

Then keep pumping out the Great Dex feats and for any bonus Monk feats, take Improved SR.


For skills pretty basic, +4 Intimidate asap, then pump tumble, disc, concentration, and I took lore cause I usually pop loot and Bank I like to id stuff hehe. I take 1 rank in PP as well.
1 in Disable Trap, 1 in Open Lock. . . why? I dunno cause I like to take high levels and fetch lowbie loot for new chars at times. Comes in handy. Purely optional as far as skills go.

I took Concentration to refute taunt from Abyssal mobs, Matron s and the Immortal. I'm bet'n Hell mobs will taunt as well so Concentration is a good skill imo.

W/O dex artifcat and any buffs AC will end up being 133

Empty Body will give you 70% concealment
Sr should be 75 at 60th. Not sure how viable this amount of SR will be for the hells but most def is handy if you're doing the desert.

Ab should be max'd out at 75 while dual weilding.

That is it in a nutshell. Didn't have tons of time to lay out this build all nice and neat. (Nice, damn and neat) But this is your basic teeth cleaning Monkey. Once you hit lvl 29 you can use the rare Handaxes, the damage capacity becomes self evident

Oh, and using the "Your taint shall be cleansed!" voice set is totally optional ;D

[DragonChyld]

What would you change for Plane walker?

[Master Jaxx]

I recently got Zenythri, so the building of this with Half-Kyton has gone to the way side for now.

So far he's looking good and a tad bit better than the Planewalker version.

Oh and what I'd do differently with Planewalker? Pretty much have less WIS only 14, INT about the same. Also more feats are burned up just trying to get the WM requirements pre-epic. . . easly done and still did the first WM lvl at 17th and so on. Basically the same thing but Half-Kyton gets more ab, ac, sr and more options in terms of feats during epic lvls and LL's.

[stonewarrior]

Hey Groo, I am looking at this build with Half Kyton and had a coupe of questions. First, why fighter over another class like Rogue (UMD) or Paladin (saves)? Also, when wouldyou take the Fighter levels? I know you would want to get the Weapon Master levels earler but am not sure on the Fighter. Thanks!

Peace, John.

[exidorthequick]

The two extra feats from the two fighter levels would let you get the WM preq feats sooner, and free up room for two other feats, but you sacrifice some SR in the process. One level of Ranger would get you Ambidexterity and Two-Weapon Fighting for free, so the result would be the same.

Toughness seems less important to me than Blind Fight. I don't know if there are a lot of high-level foes with conceal...if not, then Blind Fight may not be as important as I think. However, I don't think Blind Fight is worth an epic feat slot if it can be avoided. I'd toss Toughness, move Blind Fight to pre-20, and free up room for another epic feat.

Unless you are planning to spend your early levels standing around a lot while other people level you, you'll want to take Weapon Finesse as early as possible, instead of waiting until you are already a Weapon Master. With an 8 strength you won't be able to hit anything until you get that feat. I'd recommend taking your one level of Ranger as your first level, so that you can start with Weapon Finesse.

Unless there are no good high-level kamas available, it seems like kama would be a better choice than handaxe. The handaxe does give you a base crit modifier of x3 (instead of the kama's x2), however you sacrifice access to the monk's favorable unarmed attack progression (which is retained when using a kama). Your crit damage won't be as high with a kama, but you'll be doing more attacks and each attack after the first will be at a higher attack bonus than if you were using a handaxe. Even Kukri would be a better choice than handaxe...still only x2 crits, but a substantially enhanced crit range that would still translate into more damage output. There's even room to fit in Exotic Weapon Proficiency:

 1  Ranger  Weap Finesse, Exotic WP (Human bonus feat)  (+ Dodge & Mobility from Half-Kyton, + 2-Weap Fight & Ambidex from Ranger)
 2  Monk
 3  Monk    Weap Focus: Kukri
 4  Monk
 5  Monk
 6  Monk    Spring Attack
 7  Monk
 8  Monk
 9  Monk    Expertise
10  Monk
11  Monk
12  Monk    Whirlwind
13  WM
14  WM
15  WM      Imp Crit: Kukri
16  WM
17  Monk    (Taken here so tumble can be raised from 15 to 20, to get that extra point of AC asap.)
18  WM      Blind Fight
19  WM
20  WM

I think I would stick with kama as my weapon of choice, which would free up a feat and allow you to start taking WM levels at 10.

If you chose Halfling as your base race, instead of Human, you would get 2 more points of Dex at the cost of 2 Str and that extra feat (and 1 skill point/level). This would work if you were going to use kamas, since you've got a "spare" feat to sacrifice. This is a matter of personal taste; everyone will not agree that the +1 to-hit and +1 AC is worth what is lost.

[Master Jaxx]

If I wanted to use Kamas I woulda made a kama build You should really go post your own build in another thread pls.

Handaxes crits help beat some of the high DR in LL areas as well, plus Monks get the prof for free. So Handaxes make sense if you want to do something different out of the norm *Yawn. Kukri, don't have the room for feat burning.

As for damage output just ask some peps that have partied with me when I'm running with this toon. The damage speaks for itself.

Don't take Ranger unless Improved 2 Wep fighting isn't important to you. You can't get Improved 2 Wep Fighting with just 1 Ranger lvl because the feat they get at first lvl is actually called "Dual Wield." You'd need to go up to 9th lvl Ranger in order to get Improved 2 Wep Fighting.

The 2 FTR lvls are taken for the purposes of getting bonus pre-epic feats before Epic lvls so you can take your GTR DEX feats and so on w/o burning them up on pre-epic feats.

And take Toughness! I took Blind Fight too btw, forgot to mention it hehe. You will need every bit of HP you can get!!

[exidorthequick]

It was not my intent to post my own build. As you say, if I'd wanted to do that, I'd have made a new topic. My intent was to constructively critique your build, in order to be helpful to you or anyone else considering using the build you posted here.

I am sorry if I offended you with my comments. Again, they were intended to be helpful. Even if you do not find them so, hopefully you can see that someone else might.

groo said:

Don't take Ranger unless Improved 2 Wep fighting isn't important to you. You can't get Improved 2 Wep Fighting with just 1 Ranger lvl because the feat they get at first lvl is actually called "Dual Wield." You'd need to go up to 9th lvl Ranger in order to get Improved 2 Wep Fighting.

Sorry, I missed that you'd taken Imp 2-Weap Fight. Fighter would be the better way to go if you intend to get it (and I agree that getting it is a good idea).

Edit: Corrected typo.

[Master Jaxx]

Not offense taken Wasn't really looking for critique as much as I was looking to help ppl out that had asked about the build but all good either way.

[jersak]

looks like a really good build. I had two questions. Please bear with me. I'm fairly new at this.
1) What would you loose if you took the 9 lvls of Ranger that you guys were talking about. I know that would mean less monk lvls, but how much would that affect your stats in the long run?
2) Starting out I don't have any fancy races, like planewalker, or anything like that. What non-secret, or secret race would you recommend for this build?

Thanks

[khaine]

Aye, I recently got my first subby, anarch... xD!!!! my first subby a BURR, but anyway: finding a suitable race is always hard.... Thats why thats a req. for HGepic, its really needed for guys with no subbies, *sniff* xD.

xD

[Master Jaxx]

If I'm understanding your question correctly you're wondering if you could sub out 2 fighter lvls and go 9 ranger lvls instead?

Well, you'd lose 1 ac, some speed and SR if you were to do that. Not really worth the trade off imo. . . for those 9 Rangers lvls. Why take 9 lvls of Ranger when you can accomplish the task of getting the dual weilding feats with 2 Ftr lvls?

I'm guessing you could try this out with a regular Elf but suffer major xp penalities and have a pathetic CON score. It would be very hard to pull off because Monks are feat starved and WM requires so many feats.

Kurai maybe? Anything that can give you a free WM required feat would be ideal and anything that has an INT and DEX bonus. I don't think any of the regular sub-races off the board at the Docks would help though. . . pretty much gonna have to go Secret and on up the chain of hard to get. . .

[sithdad]

Groo, is there anyway you could post the lvl progression for this build? I know I would only mess it up if I attempted to recreate it. Thanks.