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Post by chainlink on Oct 5, 2006 14:30:43 GMT
The only areas (currently) that send you to Encumbria are the town and the docks, if you are inside a building in these areas you will not be sent to encumbria until you leave it with more than the 150 item limit. Normal tactic is somebody (not the banker) ports to town then enters the Wyrm and then the banker ports to them thus avoiding the too many items problem. The only thing that throws a spanner in the works is if you have a server crash/reset during your run or somebody suggests a loot split on another server and you go for it forgetting about how much you are carrying.
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Post by dodrudon on Oct 6, 2006 22:38:21 GMT
You'll notice you don't get ported to encumbria the moment you pick up your 151st item. If you're in town, you might (don't know whether the script constantly checks your count or only upon load). Anyways, usually a non-banker member of the party ports back to town, goes into the Wyrm, and is set as leader, at which point the banker ports to the leader, directly into Wyrm, thereby bypassing the area which checks you for 150+ items.
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Post by sendar on Oct 7, 2006 17:18:00 GMT
Just wanted to say, overall, I have been pleasently surprised time and time again on HG with ppl's attitudes toward lootsplits, especially since startin the LL areas. The are ofcourse exceptions but rather than take too much offence, just remember the player's name and don't party with them (my list is a massive 1 player i won't party with).
Many times however, i have joined runs late on, or just felt pretty inadequate on a run where I've had real trouble in an area where the rest of the party have carried me, in which case i'll opt out of the loot split being happy with the xp, but lots of you guys have insisted I take part or picked an item for me that you know would help on that run in future. This really makes me smile and earns these players alot of respect in my eyes.
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Post by stonewarrior on Nov 16, 2006 21:20:05 GMT
Hi all, I am still relatively new on HG and to party play. I have joined a few parties and only done a loot split once. I have asked about loot a couple of times and been told to take what I want. I am not sure if this is because they have been low level areas (currently level 15) or what. That said, I find myself soloing a lot primarily b/c I am still very new to HG (and party play in general) and I am often interrupted at home so I feel bad about having to step away more than I feel is appropriate.
One other thing I have noticed when joining groups there hasn't been much discussion about loot or banking. Being new I have not been sure about etiquette (I have asked only when I see someone leaves items) and often just tried to contribute and gain XP. While I would love to acquire some sweet gear and loads of gold I am more interested in "learning the ropes" of HG.
When loggng on and looking for a party is it best to include in my shout out that I am new? When joining a party should I be asking how long they have been playing or suggest straight away that I only want XP? Any suggestions ya'll might provide would be greating appreciated.
Peace, John.
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Post by bort on Nov 16, 2006 21:43:22 GMT
When loggng on and looking for a party is it best to include in my shout out that I am new? When joining a party should I be asking how long they have been playing or suggest straight away that I only want XP? Any suggestions ya'll might provide would be greating appreciated. When you join a party, if you're new to the area they're in it can be wise to say "Hey, haven't been here before." if only so someone says "Watch out for xyz in this area." or "You'll need xyz here". XP only tends to be more relevant in LL areas where the loot stakes are higher. I'll sometimes shout "Level XX looking for game (xp only is fine)." if I see a party in the Desert (on pcscry) and they're a few maps in - in which case i've missed half the run, so they probably aren't going to want to share loot. Same applies to joining Dachy runs at the last minute (you'll find out soon enough ). Re. Banking; you can always ask "Who's banking?" when you join a party or if nobody seems to be banking. To which the answer will probably be "You, thanks for volunteering!". (or it might be "Nah, we don't need any loot from here, help yourself.")
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Post by thedomicron on Nov 18, 2006 20:51:56 GMT
also, what i always do is use the pcscry to see where people are, and how many people are in your level on the server, if no one is around your level then use the scry again to check the rest of the servers. it only takes an extra 30 seconds and will save you the trouble of asking why no one is inviting you
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Post by bhao on Nov 18, 2006 22:44:29 GMT
- if you're a mage and joined a party, please tell the fighters before you start gmwing them. a lot of them carry different weapons when no gmw is available and would have switched first. - after a rest however, do the exact opposite.
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Post by gruntgruntson on Nov 21, 2006 19:35:53 GMT
Loot Splits:
Once all the loot from a run is placed in an armoire in the Wyrm, a Party Roll is made, and Loot is picked, one piece at a time until either all loot has gone, or everyone is happy to mass-sell the rest.
Any alterations to this (Snaking choice, all-ammo-counts-as-one-choice etc) should be made clear BEFORE the Roll.
Leaving the room before the split is finished is considered to be forfeiting the rest of your picks.
DO NOT invite people into the party before the loot split is finished.
Asking for an item before it is your turn (for instance if in a hurry) is OK, but only actually take it if EVERYONE before you in the list agrees. As with any Party related case, waiting for ONE person, who has already been, or is after you, to say "OK by me" and then grabbing and running is, IMHO, LOOT STEALING. Even if everyone has had two picks, and several people have left the party/passed on loot, the turn-by-turn should still be followed, as some people do actually need those "minor" items. If you can't wait your turn, you can't need it that much. If you fear it being taken by someone higher on the list, that is the point of the turn-by-turn!
If you do not agree with this, you should say BEFORE THE ROLL. Preferably before the run starts.
To emphasise, when there are people waiting patiently for their turn, and looking through the loot, taking any loot from the armoire when not your turn is WRONG, unless agreed by the WHOLE PARTY!
(Post inspired by several loot-splits where people have asked "I just want #item x# OK?", and upon ONE person saying "ok by me " have grabbed and logged, leaving others in the room saying "but i wanted that!" and other saying "Oh, i'll just take #item y# then, bye". Not how things should be done.)
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Post by avatthee on Nov 22, 2006 12:46:52 GMT
Class Secrets
On the subject of party etiquette around class secrets i have always found that if more than one person needs the same secret and its a once per reset thing like the mage epic spells they should roll to see who gets it, a party roll works and they just see out of the people who want it who has the highest. And with people just joining a run for exp shouldn't be put in the running for one as they said exp only, the same goes for late joiners unless they really helped they can't be included. Also its ok if you win the roll to port another character to collect it , well thats my opinion anyway.
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Post by dodrudon on Dec 31, 2006 5:02:23 GMT
Could a new custom (if that's the right word) be started, that whoever contributes consumables for a run (runes, mind still, crown if not done immediately after lloth) switches places with the person above them for the loot split? It seems only fair because they have to pick the item in a previous loot split, while others are sort of bumming off that pick.
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Post by Jenna on Jan 5, 2007 14:17:03 GMT
I was on a Dachy run with Eldareth last night. We had done the entire maze ourselves looking for the seal. But we were not quite sure if just the two of us could take Dachy so I messaged some friends who were online at the time and asked for help. At the loot split, we agreed that since Eldareth and I had done most of the work that we would add a certain number to our party roll to signify that extra work (since he and I were the only mages - hence hurt dachy the most anyway) we added 100 to our roll, which seemed fine for everyone else. Turns out we both rolled 8's!!!! so I'm glad we added that 100. I think a handicap/bonus would work well IF agreed on in advance. If you come in on a desert run 1/2 through but really pull your weight, I'm more inclined to give you a fair shot at the loot split even if you originally just joined for xp. On the other hand if someone is just following along, not really helping, dying constantly. I don't think they should get an equal chance at the loot (make them roll with a -50 to their roll). The question is how do you quantify someone's work? A mage is going to be doing a lot of damage but a tank is going to be doing all the work to keep the enemies distracted and focused on him or her to be able to let the mage do that work. I guess it would all depend on the run and what happens. As long as everyone agrees to any bonus/penalty to a persons roll (including the person who is receiving that bonus/penalty) I don't see any problem. I think it will be rare that it happens but I think the idea is a good one. Jenna
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Post by Ironfang on Jan 5, 2007 14:44:25 GMT
but a tank is going to be doing all the work to keep the enemies distracted and focused on him or her to be able to let the mage do that work. A good tank will run interference for a mage, do you know how many melee types I see off in the corner beating on single mob while the mage or cleric is being swarmed?
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Post by chainlink on Jan 5, 2007 14:50:30 GMT
I feel quite pleased that I rarely have to worry about this sort of thing as its hurting my head thinking about messing about with loot rolls based on contribution to the party or items used to get to the end. If you're worried about using up items or contributions I'd just invite folks you know when you do a run rather than doing a shout and getting pot luck on who turns up. I think AV has something that automatically adds something to his loot rolls, 4 BURs out of loot rolls that's got to be divine intervention!
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Post by khaine on Jan 5, 2007 16:18:51 GMT
I personally think that it shouldn't be for not pulling your weight, but not trying. Say someone is playing there first build, relatively low level and really need some more gear, yet its hard for him/her to get it, if they try to do good then sure, go ahead (in fact see if you cant go gs and rez ppl, in the desert often their are corpses just lying there, xD. If everyone agrees someone has done a fantastic job though, gone beyond what was needed or asked for, then I think that a bonus seems like a plan.
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Post by dodrudon on Jan 5, 2007 20:57:45 GMT
Modifying loot roll based on party contribution would be messy, inaccurate, cause rifts/grudges, and would be terrible on the nubs (how would a low LL caster get dachy loot?). Loot rolls should only be modified if you provide the consumable for the run.
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