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Post by nohmask on Aug 10, 2008 3:22:57 GMT
Hmm...I need to keep on things, but that is sort of hard being on hiatus, but isnt bestow curse a necro spell now if used by a PM (I'm assuming that's what you mean by machine destruction assistance..and that's why you took legendary trans?). I'm just thinking about how my old PM was built and it had the badabing epic for stripping SR and still zapped away with the bestow curse action. Not sure what trans spell would be a machine killer....hmmm....I'm missing something here....but as a side note, tell me this...is the server still having deep hell runs where your PM is the only arcane caster or are PMs typically running with wizards and sorcerers more now. I remember dboaster used to say that often he was the only arcane caster in the lot with his PM.
I'm also betting that this whole shield stuff which I haven't quite grasped as of yet affects the delightfully high AC that a PM used to be able to get if they also took some DX to begin with and armor skin...well, even without armor skin but I think mine hit almost 140 with bur nat ac, high dx and med. armor, bur deflection....high craft armor....thids brain buffet dinner plate shield, etc......
If AC is effected considerably, are PMs (and a lot of other classes I guess for that matter) just focusing on resists and immunites instead to lower damage and buffing up their htpts or something? I know it got that way at Hall of the Worlds, but way out of control where you needed 95% immunity across the board and 50 resist combo or something crazy like that and then it was a bash youself on my sheilds fest pretty much, yawn, and ice storm ice storm ice storm..............I sort of was taking the dxer approach with the PM and druid..if you cant hit me its all good...maybe this technique is out (and of course I see no combat casting so I assume you either hit your defensive button all the time or just go commando and hope for the best...).
Oh, and are you grooving on the soul gem thing or is that not as hot as it might seem?
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Post by chirikov on Aug 10, 2008 3:31:43 GMT
the 'machine destruction assistance' bit probably refers to the usage of disintegrate, a spell added with hg enhanced
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Post by nohmask on Aug 10, 2008 15:40:00 GMT
aha......let me look that one up....
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Post by nohmask on Aug 10, 2008 15:45:51 GMT
aha....well that's not listed as a PM spell in the spell descript./changes listing here...I cant believe it isnt though in some way but takes trans as a school to determine its save...or something...well, I'll just have to see one of these days! I hope its a black death ray or something !
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Post by bort on Aug 10, 2008 15:52:47 GMT
it's a green ray.
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Post by wnxstrikefighter on Aug 18, 2008 15:50:22 GMT
Wouldn't you have a hard time beating SR on disintegrate since it isn't a PM spell?
I'm also wondering what divine scrolls you find useful? Otherwise the defensive benefits of blind fight might be worth taking as a 1st level fighter bonus feat.
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Post by norrion on Aug 18, 2008 17:00:22 GMT
Hmm, from my understanding, Pale Masters don't have access to disintegrate atm. I thought HG enhanced spells could only be taken when leveling (at the exception of soul blind). Am i missing something ?
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Post by Rodon_ on Aug 18, 2008 21:48:01 GMT
Hmm, from my understanding, Pale Masters don't have access to disintegrate atm. I thought HG enhanced spells could only be taken when leveling (at the exception of soul blind). Am i missing something ? You can go 8 Wiz/10 PM/1 Wiz/1 Cleric pre-epic, and pick 2 up to level 7 spells at level 18, the last wizard level.
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Post by chirikov on Aug 19, 2008 1:13:20 GMT
Wouldn't you have a hard time beating SR on disintegrate since it isn't a PM spell? I'm also wondering what divine scrolls you find useful? Otherwise the defensive benefits of blind fight might be worth taking as a 1st level fighter bonus feat. you wont be beating sr on anything with significant sr, but some mobs like machines have no sr some nice divine spells include remove fear and remove paralysis. if you can get a crafter cleric of some sort, you can get wand versions which are really nice as for getting the hg enhanced spells, the trick is to take your wiz as late as possible. i notice most people building pms tend to take all their wiz 1-9 and then pm the rest, which while nice for the simplicity means you are stuck taking low level spells the whole way. when i build my pm, i did wiz 1-3, pm 4-13, then the rest of my wiz levels (note that this might make it a little harder on your spellcasting, but at those levels you can contribute immensely just by using scrolls)
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Post by borges on Aug 19, 2008 15:03:53 GMT
as for getting the hg enhanced spells, the trick is to build a pure wizard until level 21, then scribe some key scrolls and reincarnate to PM.A minor correction
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Post by chirikov on Aug 19, 2008 18:29:55 GMT
except that it is currently not possible to scribe the hg enhanced spells
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Post by archmage on Aug 19, 2008 21:49:33 GMT
There aren't enough HG Enhanced spells to require reincarnating, and as Chirikov pointed out, this wouldn't work in any event. Just make sure when you take spells, that you absolutely take, Eyebite, Disintegrate, Undeath to Death, and Shades as they are currently unscribeable. IF you don't have a timestop scroll or two, and dont know the trick to scribing timestop, you may want to be sure you take that as well. You get Soul Bind from the spells pedestal provided you are evil.
Disintegrate is in fact for machines, and coldforge constructs. You can forget disintegrating anything else remotely close to your level otherwise. Its also really helpful for PM's to take full advantage of Energy Drain when disintegrating, and eyebite as well. If you use Energy Drain/Soul Bind properly, you should almost always be casting your spells at +3 Caster Levels. Its a big part of how to play a PM well.
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Post by the1kobra on Aug 20, 2008 2:31:14 GMT
Actually, undeath to death is scribeable, however, only clerics are able to scribe it for some reason. Actually, with the cleric level... it's possible to scribe cleric scrolls with appropriate casting gear and wisdom (from demi iterations).
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Post by archmage on Aug 20, 2008 3:53:25 GMT
True Kobra, good point.
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Post by norrion on Aug 20, 2008 7:23:26 GMT
Duh, i knew i was missing something. I indeed assumed that the 9 wiz levels were taken at lvls 1-9, so no lvl 6 spells to pick. Actually, undeath to death is scribeable, however, only clerics are able to scribe it for some reason. Actually, with the cleric level... it's possible to scribe cleric scrolls with appropriate casting gear and wisdom (from demi iterations). I personnaly like theurges as scroll scribers. They can scribe both wiz and cleric spells.
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