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Post by DragonChyld on Aug 20, 2008 14:00:50 GMT
You cna also find an UtD Scroll if yo9u know where to look ~ DC
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Post by archmage on Aug 20, 2008 14:25:01 GMT
This is also true, but we seem to be missing the point. Its a total pain to get your hands on an Undeath to Death scroll, as compared to somethng that can be scribed easily, so it makes much more sense to take the spell when levelling.
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Post by Delfestra Ruinvorn on Aug 25, 2008 14:38:13 GMT
(Similarly, there are places before and after immortality to locate a timestop scroll if you want one. Its such a handy emergency spell, I recommend it.)
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Post by tempus on Aug 25, 2008 15:19:19 GMT
Of course anther item in the game has TS on it and its effect goes off well before you could finnish reading a scroll. Amicus
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Post by Delfestra Ruinvorn on Aug 25, 2008 15:35:36 GMT
Wasn't suggesting you read a scroll in combat - a PM wants the scroll so they can *learn the spell*, sorc-boy.
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Post by chirikov on Aug 25, 2008 23:54:26 GMT
is it worth taking disintegrate with the change to require minimum caster levels to hit certain mobs with it?
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Post by archmage on Aug 26, 2008 1:06:57 GMT
No, probably not, and that means it may not even be worth it to take Trans at all, which frees up a ton of space in my build. If I hadn't JUST reincarnated, i would probably reincarnate again. The wall is nice, but I have a couple ideas that could be even better.
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Post by Trazik on Aug 26, 2008 6:38:04 GMT
You need the epic wall for Elysium, perhap?
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Post by archmage on Aug 26, 2008 11:15:39 GMT
Need might be overstating. Is nice to have might be more on point.
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Post by nohmask on Oct 21, 2008 7:28:30 GMT
So...what was the other idea you had with this? I have always liked the idea of a PM having the badabing, or the Stripper epic just for consistency of the whole errode, drain, enfeeble, death death death PM style...but also because beating SR is one of the big tricks in the PMs bag, and doing this on the fly and not worrying about mording a party member (and then laying down a pile of wails for narguzons or some such) is nice indeed.....and now that I think of it, since curse song doesnt lower SR anymore is this more usefull, despite the horrible cramping of one use per rest?
Or did you have another epic in mind...or a pandect? I could have sworn I had Armor Skin on my PM somehow...might have dropped two int. points for this and epic warding (?) and now that the soul bind is a booster, losing one dc might not be as critical versus some more survivability with the soak and AC bonus....comments?
Oh, and seeing that there is no walling wizard or sorcerer in your ideal elysium group, would the PM be required then to have a wall somehow anyway? Sad to think that there's a run that a wizard isnt a vital part of but.....
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Post by giffyd on Nov 14, 2008 21:11:06 GMT
I can reincarnate my palemaster and now I am still unsure if I should keep transmutation or not. I am thinking of using a necro or illu book instead of trans and using the feats for Luck of Hero, Maximize Spells, Epic Warding and Legendary Luck. Is that wise or stupid? Any advice? If desintegrate cant be used by a palemaster effectivly because the palemaster levels are not counted as caster levels for defeating the resistence of some monsters, transmutation seems only usefull for walls... and walls are for nessus Another thing I am thinking about is to take necro as my specialized school and to drop enchantment and evocation. Any advice here?
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Post by nohmask on Nov 15, 2008 7:57:51 GMT
You know, I like this idea of a PM only taking two epics...it at least examines the whole set in stone build concept...however if I hear another "_____ is for Nessus" I'm going to scream....epic walls are for saving your butt and another toons or two (esp. the AAs) during a surprise mob if nothing else, and I will say when the ring walls were used more, and were not two layers thick for that matter, there were more than a few players that were very precise about nipping a beast off from the rest of the party for a nice safety buffer.....miracle can be used offensively, and so can the ring wall if you really want to...divide and conquer is as old as (well...its old) and we all know how a rampaging mob, or at least a beast or two, can really take down even an experienced party.
HOWEVER...I really dont think that PMs are all that "squishy", and really if you have a mage along, which you always should, you better be sure you dont try to pop your wall up when they do.....as long as game play is able to function with more of the lawnmower effect epic walls wont be quite as important unless you are squishy I guess..but that begs the question if some save feats would be better....epic warding despite it only having a few more pts of resistance/absorbtion.....maybe epic armor skin if I even knew what that would do for a toon (is that listed somewhere or what, and does it conflict with PM armor boost?)....
Mind you, I would love to hear these evil plans that archmage has for those three feats, but......quicken maybe?
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Post by Egg on Nov 15, 2008 9:59:34 GMT
however if I hear another "_____ is for Nessus" I'm going to scream....epic walls are for saving your butt and another toons or two (esp. the AAs) during a surprise mob if nothing else They can also be the death of people if randoms appear inside the wall i.e. maladomini
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Post by giffyd on Nov 15, 2008 11:28:02 GMT
Is it allowed to post my modified transmutation less palemaster build in this thread here or do I need to post it in another thread? I really want to see what others have to say to my palemaster without wall. Its archmages build without transmutation as I think I have found some good use for the four feats.
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Post by Egg on Nov 15, 2008 12:47:17 GMT
I would post in here as it is same build but tweaked.
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