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Post by gandoron on Oct 31, 2011 18:33:04 GMT
PMs aren't the insta killer in hells that they are in LLs (or even Abo/Abyss). They generally take on a roll of enervating and draining, which a necro arcane (or even Cleric for ED) can do almost as well. This higher SR and DC does help. Personally, I really wish you could swap the song to the old style where you can a stacking drop of -2 (or was it -3) to ab,ac,saves, etc. Even a stacking curse of -1 would be better, then it would help on boss fights.
Getting lore to affect shades would be nice as well.
-G
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Post by Xalo on Oct 31, 2011 19:01:06 GMT
How does this build look? I really want to avoid a caster until I get a BUR race for them as I want to max the potential right away.
Elf/Aquatic Elf STR:14 DEX:16 CON:10 WIS:12 INT:16 CHA:08
8 Monk/1 Wizard/10 AA/1 Monk/20 AA
Stats: First 8 STR, 12 DEX
Skills: Max Disc, Listen, Parry, Tumble, Rest to CW and CA
01: Strong Soul 03: WF Longbow 06: Point Blank Shot 09: Greater Weapon Focus Longbow 12: Rapid Shot 15: Improved Critical Longbow 18: Power Attack 21: Great Cleave 24: G STR 1, G DEX 1 27: G STR 2 28: G DEX 2 30: G STR 3 32: G DEX 3 33: G STR 4 36: G DEX 4, Epic Weapon Focus Longbow 39: Overwhelming Critical Longbow 40: Devastating Critical Longbow
42: Legendary Hardened Soul 45: Legendary Weapon Focus Longbow 48: Armor Skin 51: G DEX 5 54: G DEX 6 57: G DEX 7 60: G DEX 8
Let me know what you think. I was given a FULL set of longbows for free, assuming Fierna and Belial are within reach as I got 5 bows from them. I think I get a 96 AB, would reinc to a UR sub with STR or DEX increase to enhance the ability it has.
Xalo
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Post by Torin on Oct 31, 2011 19:10:11 GMT
At level 60, uni-tanks are better than normal, focused on primary attribute tanks. But before level 60, I would not go uni.
In this case: Just make a dex AA, no strength.
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Post by gandoron on Oct 31, 2011 19:36:42 GMT
I agree with Torin. Dex increases your AB and AC, you want to max that right away. Reinc and add str+OC/DC when you are getting ready for hells. Before then, max AB/AC makes the biggest difference.
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Post by Xalo on Oct 31, 2011 22:58:52 GMT
That's a problem though. If I reincarnate before hells, I will have to wait 3 months before I reincarnate to a better race. I wanna stick with the str on this build, OR I hashed out a double weapon CoT. I have good level 40 soak gear and think that will do me until I can get better 60 gear. OR take it easy and build the tin can, but I like the AA.
Xalo
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Post by tagnusd on Oct 31, 2011 23:38:41 GMT
Aquatic elf AA was one of my first 3 toons and because archers stand back and shoot, you can get away with less than optimal gear, just make sure you cover immunities for things you are shooting at. Max your dex for AB/AC and you can play that toon in the first few layers of hells easy, take it to at least phleg to gain access to the hell bows. Knowing what damage types the common hell critters take and you will be able to contribute fine. Gain some better equipment/gold and then reinc when you get a better subrace.
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Post by fallenwizard on Nov 1, 2011 2:03:52 GMT
My AA did first cycle of hells/abyss with 8 base str, well 10 after demi 1x, it just means you have to be a lot more picky at where you stand and are forced to run from a lot of enemies that your AC would allow to tank, but cant make the checks. However AA is IMHO one of those who starts focusing crit imm targets straight away in fights - OC/DC is nice to have for trash, but there are other people for killing those. AB, listen and number of attacks is bigger part of AA damage than bigger crits. Ofcourse higher str also means more mighty, 4-8 more damage vs 4-8 more ac/ab, I'd definetly pick the ac/ab for first timer.
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Post by Xalo on Nov 1, 2011 4:47:37 GMT
I think I am gonna build the PM or this, using stonewarriors gear suggestion at 40 at this thread.Half-Elf/Nymphkin STR: 14 (14) DEX: 15 (14) CON: 08 (08) WIS: 08 (07) INT: 08 (08) CHA: 18 (20) 3 fighter/6 paladin/1 fighter/30 CoT 63 Discipline, 60 Tumble Use Constitution Artifact 01: Blooded, Ambidexterity (only at this level as we have 15 dex) 02: Weapon Prof Exotic 03: Weapon Focus: Two Bladed Sword 06: Extra Smiting 09: Two Weapon Fighting 10: Weapon Specialization: Two Bladed Sword 12: Power Attack, Cleave 14: Great Cleave 15: Improved Critical: Two Bladed Sword 16: Greater Weapon Focus: Two Bladed Sword 18: Toughness, Improved Two Weapon Fighting 20: Blindfight 21: Great Smiting 1 24: Great Smiting 2, 3 27: Great Smiting 4 28: Great Smiting 5 30: Great Smiting 6 32: Great Smiting 7 33: Great Smiting 8 36: Great Smiting 9, 10 39: Epic Weapon Focus: Two Bladed Sword 40: Epic Prowess 42: Legendary Skill Affinity: Tumble 45: Legendary Weapon Focus: Two Bladed Sword 48: Overwhelming Critical: Two Bladed Sword 51: Devastating Critical: Two Bladed Sword 54: Epic Weapon Specialization: Two Bladed Sword 57: Great Charisma 1 60: Great Charisma 2 I added the charisma for added duration on divine wrath and added damage from divine wrath. Base 40 str with +14 items and with this build AB will sit at 93, AC at 108. If you think I calculated wrong please, let me know. Will read up on comments on the PM and the CoT build and determine my final decision tomorrow morning. Thank you guys for all the added help you have given me and I promise I will build something soon! Final Stats are as follows with 14s and con arti: STR: 40 (54) DEX: 14 (28) CON: 10 (24) WIS: 08 (22) INT: 08 (22) CHA: 30 (44) Final Stats are as follows with demi and 14s, arti: STR: 44 (58) DEX: 18 (32) CON: 14 (28) WIS: 12 (26) INT: 12 (26) CHA: 34 (48) PS: AB and AC are calculated PRE-DEMI with strongheart. AB at double demi will be 95, AC will be 111 with the asmodeus cloak. Xalo
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Post by Xalo on Nov 1, 2011 21:23:04 GMT
The PM is currently level 16, with all tags up to 15 completed. Xalo
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