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Post by maljin on Oct 15, 2012 9:51:32 GMT
I planned to take LSA: Tumble, LFF: Humanoid 1-3, Leg. Weapon Focus and Leg. Slippery Soul up to level 57. The feat at level 60 is still undecided; I originally planned to hold at level 59 and eventually pick Leg. Disarm or Knockdown after getting the Min tag and reading one of the pandects. Another idea is to take Leg. Form Defense at level 60 for some extra ac and put off the disarm/knockdown feats until I've got free paragon feats. I've also built this in the test chamber, some observations I've noted regarding paragon levels: - The shield ac listed on the wiki does already include the 6 shield ac from LFF feats, so your calculation would be down by 6 ac, unless you already take into account the two form defense feats. I'm still debating whether it's worth spending two feats on 6 ac when you can hit 130-135 ac easily. Spending these two feats on increased ability checks or innate survival abilities might be more beneficial.
- PFF: Humanoid adds 2 ab by adding 2 str or dex (depending on form), I can't remember if it added ac or the lower stat as well, but even if it doesn't you'll get more from PFF than from PWF. Not saying you shouldn't take PWF (especially going with disarm or knockdown feats), but take PFF earlier.
- The 2 paragon ability points for each stat do not carry over to your shape's str and dex scores. Just in comparison to demi god stats which as far as I know from some early bug reports are supposed to stack and do so as well now. Btw, do the stats from str or dex artifacts carry over upon shifting?
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Post by desocupado on Oct 15, 2012 14:01:22 GMT
I planned to take LSA: Tumble, LFF: Humanoid 1-3, Leg. Weapon Focus and Leg. Slippery Soul up to level 57. The feat at level 60 is still undecided; I originally planned to hold at level 59 and eventually pick Leg. Disarm or Knockdown after getting the Min tag and reading one of the pandects. Another idea is to take Leg. Form Defense at level 60 for some extra ac and put off the disarm/knockdown feats until I've got free paragon feats. - Well, Lizardfolk (Highest AB) have innate improved Disarm (Available if you use "!action disarm opponent"), so KD pandect might be a better choice.
- I'd get L.F.Def. instead of Legendary Reflexes as well (in which case I'd grab Epic reflex earlier).
The shield ac listed on the wiki does already include the 6 shield ac from LFF feats, so your calculation would be down by 6 ac, unless you already take into account the two form defense feats. I'm still debating whether it's worth spending two feats on 6 ac when you can hit 130-135 ac easily. Spending these two feats on increased ability checks or innate survival abilities might be more beneficial. - Well the numbers of wiki are for PL 60 and LFF 3. They don't include Legendary/Paragon Form Defense (+6) or PFF (+2).
- Extra AC over 135 helps against nastier mobs like Superior/Elite/Bosses and is handy to protect against critical confirmation roll.
PFF: Humanoid adds 2 ab by adding 2 str or dex (depending on form), I can't remember if it added ac or the lower stat as well, but even if it doesn't you'll get more from PFF than from PWF. Not saying you shouldn't take PWF (especially going with disarm or knockdown feats), but take PFF earlier. You are right PFF > everything else. It's important to note that PWF should only xfer to a humanoid shape if you have PFF:Humanoid. The 2 paragon ability points for each stat do not carry over to your shape's str and dex scores. Just in comparison to demi god stats which as far as I know from some early bug reports are supposed to stack and do so as well now. Btw, do the stats from str or dex artifacts carry over upon shifting? - No, paragon bonus stats don't stack :/.
Well it's better put that Asmodeus belt to good use 
- Demigod bonuses seems to be added normally (checked).
- I have no clue about Str/Dex artifacts (tough using Constitution arty is never a bad choice, due more HP and poison immunity)
- The base stat overwrite bug seems to be fixed. It used to overwrite a Shape's Str/Dex if your base STR/DEX was too high (i.e. 13+)
-------------------------------------------- Subrace choiceI'll list some subraces that are great for this build: - Planewalker - probably the best overall choice, 4 survival, and Stat bonuses to int (allows to squeeze in "Search") and more Con.
- Wraith - Gets a handy (true) Fear immunity and sleep immunity, was a idea indeed.
- Anarch - Gets 2 extra feats (Armor skin and Alertness) probably best if you want to squeeze in feats like "Legendary Battle Hardening I-IV" and/or more Disarm/KD feats.
ABSeems that AB is maxing at 116 with Double-demihood, PWF, PFF and LBAB:20 (level 80) in Lizardfolk shape. That makes you a doable (but mediocre) WM that usually must rely on curse song. Paragon Feat selection overview- Environmental Adaptivity I - III: These are great feats, since they make you much less reliant in GR in deeper layers, they are better than "Legendary Battle Hardening I-IV" for most purposes (except in runs without layer penalty).
- Paragon Form Focus: Mandatory as it grants +2 AB/AC
- Paragon Weapon Focus: Very handy +2 AB, if oyu are into Disarm/KD
- Paragon Form Defense: +3 AC (useful against critical confirmation roll)
- Legendary/Paragon Disarm/KD - Each increases the check by 2, and may grant additional effects
- Paragon Balance - Perhaps the best stat check feat, this one helps Str based shapes (Drow, Lizardfolk and Sahuagin)
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Post by desocupado on Mar 24, 2015 11:47:32 GMT
Updated the build to play its strengths. Added:
Improved Expertise, Para KD and Disarm, Paragon Form Defense.
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