Spell casters vs Conceal

[Yojimbo]

I know Bigby 8 and I think some other spells are effected by the targets conceal so the question is does Blind Fight and or Listen improve those spells?

[gandoron]

caster listen does not help the conceal reduction from damage spells like BB8.

-G

[simpetar]

Listen and Blindfight do not increase damage on BB8 and orbs, but effects that lower the target's conceal (MSD and ranger Invisibility Purge) do.

simpetar

[Yojimbo]

Just wandering since my Wiz like most has high INT and an abundance of skill points to dump. It was a thought of a place to dump them. I also wonder if this is a feasible change and worth while to enable build investments to improve those spells. I could see it being particularly useful for BKs who are a melee fighter who might invest in Listen and they are Bigby specialist. It gives a Wiz something to invest skill points in since they tend to have so many.

[desocupado]

But Listen affects touch spells, right? Like harm and detonate?

[Werehound Silverfang]

Yes, it does affect things like combust, harm and detonate. No it does not affect orbs or Bigby 8,

[gandoron]

Were,

I believe Harm is a full blown "touch attack" (http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Harm). There are a number of other spells that are described as a psuedo-touch attack in HG documentation. Are these all the same and listen matters, or are there 2 different categories?

-G

[maljin]

Pseudo touch attacks (I can't recall which spells fall into this category, but quite a few shifter abilities do) are the same as touch attacks (or ranged touch attacks for most shifter stuff) but conceal is neglected, so listen/blindfight doesn't influence them.

[Yojimbo]

Sounding like very few spells currently benefit from listen and I can't recall how difficult or easy a touch attack, or pseudo-touch attack is to make in HG particularly end game.