Too Big to Fail Pariah (20 Barb/20 Sorc)

[tyranlthixis]

Thank you. You need to put the build progression in the title. But, you can do that post move.

[Deleted]

I dont know if i made an error somewhere but at level 6 on my barbarian level i was not able to take spell focus transmutation.

[Yojimbo]

Well first I would point out to Bad that there appear to be some broken formating in the build post and 2nd to m4ldl3 I would suggest you make sure you have HGE installed and enabled.

[Deleted]

I have it installed and enabled.. just wouldnt let me take it

[Bad]

I will take a look at formating and level order etc.

Sorry about that

Bad

*Just looked and it seems that gsheets are acting up in some way will check with Arek, as I may need to add something to the script to make it appear.

How did you even see the level order etc? On my comp all I see is the [gsheet] code.

Also I really would not make this pariah as honestly after the changes I really feel that the open subbie pariahs of this type are not really viable.

[Deleted]

Oh ok, thanks for the heads up early on haha. Its a shame really, its the only class i have not played with before.

[buddhamind]

FWIW I see the g-sheets just fine but in the first post I see a bunch of "glow" tags:


Why This Build & Back-story[glow=green,2,300][/glow]

The Build[glow=green,2,300][/glow]

Spell Lists & More[glow=green,2,300][/glow]

Gear Discussion[glow=green,2,300][/glow]

Supplies[glow=green,2,300][/glow]

Playing a Caster 101[glow=green,2,300][/glow]

Future Notes[glow=green,2,300][/glow]

[Yojimbo]

I tried to view this about 4 times yesterday and only 1 of those times did it show don't know how or why it worked and didn't work.

[Torin]

Aug 27, 2013 7:13:55 GMT Bad said:

Also I really would not make this pariah as honestly after the changes I really feel that the open subbie pariahs of this type are not really viable.

The formating, flavor etc. of this build is so cool, I really would like to see this pariah viable. Maybe you find the time and energy to adjust it. Thanks!

[Bad]

ok I fixed that issue and should have had sorc at level 6 then barb at 7.

I will look at converting this to a version similar to what my BUR became.

Which is this, btw I am currently holding it at level 79 so I have the option to change spells when Limbo comes out:

1 Barbarian
- Armor Proficiency (heavy)
- Armor Proficiency (light)
- Armor Proficiency (medium)
- Assist Other
- Barbarian Fast Movement
- Barbarian Rage (1x per day)
- Battle Training vs. Giants
- Battle Training vs. Goblins
- Battle Training vs. Reptilians
- Command Targeter
- Epic Skill Focus (Intimidate)
- Epic Skill Focus (Taunt)
- Greater Spell Focus (Illusion)
- Hardiness vs. Illusions
- Low-light Vision
- Mount Actions
- Shield Proficiency
- Skill Affinity (Concentration)
- Skill Affinity (Listen)
- Small Stature
- Spell Focus (Illusion)
- Toughness
- Weapon Proficiency (martial)
- Weapon Proficiency (simple)

2 Barbarian
- Uncanny Dodge I

3 Sorcerer
Spellcraft +6
- Spell Focus (Transmutation)
- Summon Familiar

4 Sorcerer (Constitution +1)

5 Sorcerer

6 Barbarian
- Greater Spell Focus (Transmutation)

7 Sorcerer

8 Barbarian (Constitution +1)
- Barbarian Rage (2x per day)

9 Barbarian
- Metamagic (Still Spell)
- Uncanny Dodge II

10 Barbarian

11 Sorcerer

12 Sorcerer (Constitution +1)
- Spell Focus (Necromancy)

13 Sorcerer

14 Sorcerer

15 Sorcerer
- Greater Spell Focus (Necromancy)

16 Sorcerer (Constitution +1)

17 Sorcerer
- Armor Skin
- Automatic Still Spell I
- Automatic Still Spell II
- Automatic Still Spell III

18 Sorcerer
- Spell Focus (Evocation)

19 Sorcerer

20 Sorcerer (Constitution +1)

21 Sorcerer
- Epic Character
- Great Constitution I

22 Sorcerer

23 Sorcerer

24 Sorcerer (Constitution +1)
- Great Constitution II

25 Sorcerer

26 Sorcerer

27 Sorcerer
- Epic Sorcerer
- Great Constitution III

28 Sorcerer (Constitution +1)

29 Sorcerer
- Epic Spell Focus (Illusion)

30 Sorcerer
- Great Constitution IV

31 Sorcerer

32 Sorcerer (Constitution +1)
- Epic Spell Focus (Necromancy)

33 Sorcerer
- Great Constitution V

34 Sorcerer

35 Sorcerer
- Epic Spell Focus (Transmutation)

36 Sorcerer (Constitution +1)
- Greater Spell Focus (Evocation)

37 Sorcerer

38 Sorcerer
- Epic Spell Focus (Evocation)

39 Sorcerer
- Great Constitution VI

40 Sorcerer (Constitution +1)
Concentration +43, Lore +43, Spellcraft +37

Feats not associated with any level:
Energy Resistance, Acid I
Energy Resistance, Acid II
Epic Spell Penetration
Extra Spell Known (level 9)
Great Constitution IX
Great Constitution VII
Great Constitution VIII
Great Constitution X
Legendary Character
Legendary Sorcerer
Legendary Spell Focus (Evocation)
Legendary Spell Focus (Illusion)
Legendary Spell Focus (Necromancy)
Legendary Spell Penetration
Metamagic (Empower Spell)
Paragon Character
Paragon Spell Focus (Evocation)
Paragon Spell Knowledge (Evocation)
Paragon Spell Penetration

[chirality]

What is the spellcraft for? I assume counterspelling w/ mords but isn't max DC of 24 achievable with much less ranks?

[arek]

From nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Spellcraft:

The character also gains a +1 bonus for every 5 ranks in this skill to all saving throws against spells.

This needs testing, but should, with HG's modifications to the way saving throws work, go a long way towards getting more than +20 saves vs Spells (iirc, you can get up to +25, but you can only get it by having a total of +25 vs Spells, particularly).

--Arek

[chirality]

I highly doubt the skill is taken for the save bonus as the reason--although in hindsight maybe so many ranks are taken (assuming taken for counterpselling) to hopefully help ameliorate a save penalty after heavy pens+curse

[Yojimbo]

It might be a lack of better places to dump the points after hitting the required investment for solid counter spelling.

[thenut68]

skill points didnt add up for me there wasnt enough points to take all the skills he has listed what am i missing? or is the build still not viable? what other open sub builds are viable? I just need something that can get me to level 60 as easily as possible. Then I can use bur subbys as they become available. Arek says this build is fixed , I would argue that it still needs work ;p