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Post by drunkenboastor on Mar 15, 2016 22:59:46 GMT
Would be possible to make it so torches could add shield armor class?
- Balance the ac to be equal to similar ranked caster shields. Because of the variety of ev/prem safe shields with asf of 0 as base, there would be no balance issues there.
- Having a wisdom modifier to ac would cancel the shield ac bonus.
- The perk of having a not slag able shield is an issue. Could slagging be changed to permanently (until repaired) lowering the shield ac instead of destroying the item?
- Rogues, wizards and sorcerers would benefit by not having to take shield proficiency. Items with shield proficiency are available and use able, those classes can already get by with using a shield without taking the feat.
- Compared to large and tower shields, there are significantly fewer options for small shields. Adding torch as a shield type item would balance this out and give more options to dex builds.
Besides monk and monk splash builds, the only reason to use a torch over a shield is if fear of slagging is greater than fear of getting hit.
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Post by condude on Mar 17, 2016 1:50:10 GMT
Firstly, I don't think this is possible, due to hardcoded rules of NWN. Secondly, even if it were, I see no reason for it. Monk splashes are overpowered enough as it is, that adding an extra 15 AC to those builds gives them AC that is higher than many dex tanks.
Edit: I missed the part about wisdom AC cancelling it out. I think torches have a decent niche as it is, why make them just caster shields?
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Post by Acaos on Mar 17, 2016 5:25:32 GMT
It is possible, and is a server-side edit. That said, I don't think we'll do it for a number of balance reasons (we had the opportunity to do so before and passed). We'll definitely re-discuss it if the need arises, however.
One other thing we could do is we could make it so Weapon Proficiency (Rogue) grants the ability to use small shields. That would be a server-side and HGE edit.
Acaos
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Post by woqued on Mar 17, 2016 12:05:18 GMT
Currently, torch drops are generally electrifier fodder due to the very small number of builds that can ever use them - they definitely need a buff of some kind - they are only cluttering bur tables at the moment. Shed flag is the only cool one.
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Post by Matt on Mar 17, 2016 12:15:12 GMT
Confluence of Sylvanus is pretty sweet if you ask me. Although since druids splash monk you don't really lose anything by wearing it. I have to agree with the fact they are only useful to a few characters, monk(splashers) and sometimes shifters. Hard to think of an idea around it because the wisdom ac bonus offhand is kinda the principle of the item. Still, i'd like to see some torches used on characters that dont get the wisdom bonus. Raj had a good idea here... highergroundpoa.proboards.com/post/226679 |
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Post by woqued on Mar 17, 2016 12:30:29 GMT
Ah yes, the druid torch. Sometimes I forget my druid uses it D: but again its such a strong cool set mechanic that works very well with monk splash and -still- asmo shield is very compareable candidate to wear.
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Post by desocupado on Mar 17, 2016 12:39:04 GMT
OP's point was it only grants shield ac if it's wisdom ac bonus would be lower - seems not possible.
There are unslagable caster shields - asmodeus large one and vestige.
You can gain shield proficiency from some sources like: 1 - pandect 2 - mord mockery boots
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You could suggest a caster shield with unslagable property as a level 55 loot.
And you could suggest some gear with shield proficiency (maybe an amulet)
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Post by Matt on Mar 17, 2016 12:45:11 GMT
Could you do a flag that allows EV to be cast at full effect over heavy armour (and cancel when removed)? You'd be at a loss of shield AC, in exchange for conceal or something like that. Just an idea.
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Post by simpetar on Mar 17, 2016 12:58:26 GMT
OP's point was it only grants shield ac if it's wisdom ac bonus would be lower - seems not possible. - Having a wisdom modifier to ac would cancel the shield ac bonus. Think you misunderstood this a bit. |
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Post by desocupado on Mar 17, 2016 13:14:15 GMT
And that's why one should not type before leaving  Tough this version would make it more useful for rogues with monk splash (specially not demi). On a related discussion: People once suggested having an ac limit for monk 1 splash (maybe 10 - random number) |
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Post by Matt on Mar 17, 2016 13:17:22 GMT
Isn't this thread to make torches better in general, instead of nerfing mnk splash builds so that people dont want to use torches as much.  |
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Post by drunkenboastor on Mar 17, 2016 19:04:18 GMT
My main point of posting is to have more useful items. There are only 2 bur options for small shield, one with physical resists and disc, one is a caster shield. If torches were an option with shield ac, would give a lot more options without having to make a bunch of new loot.
Every class has an option to use a shield without penalty except classes who have wisdom ac bonus. That being the case, torches should be much fewer in number and be specialized to builds who would typically use a torch. While shifters do not use shield ac while shifted, when not shifted and doing things like rezzing and removing debuffs, it is nice to have that extra ac that shields give.
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