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Post by AW O'Reilly on Nov 19, 2020 15:15:37 GMT
1. Hope you are all well and/or getting better.
2. There are -zero- orb size spell slot items for arcane/divine casters of small stature prior to lvl 34 (40 for all intents and purposes).
3. Making "broken" versions of some of the existing sub-40 staffs, where the number of slots is reduced to some degree and the size is reduced to small, would make leveling a small caster much more fun. E.g. Staff of Axilar, 2x7,2x8,2x9, Haste, Light Normal (15m) blue, regen +2, conc +8, spellcraft +8 SR26, True Seeing, use BBOD(17)2x/day, use Imp Invis(7) 2x/day -to- Orb of Axilar, 1x7,1x8,1x9, haste, light normal (5m) blue, regen +2, conc +8, SR26, True Seeing, use bbod(17) 2x/day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 16:06:39 GMT
I am of the opinion that staff and orb items should both exist and there shouldn’t be a disparity there. What are your thoughts? And then if that’s the case, just make lower tier items. For all.
I’d love to see the Stygia orbs and Tia staffs to be effectively the same thing of two different sizes.
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Post by chainlink on Nov 19, 2020 16:28:35 GMT
1. Hope you are all well and/or getting better. 2. There are -zero- orb size spell slot items for arcane/divine casters of small stature prior to lvl 34 (40 for all intents and purposes). 3. Making "broken" versions of some of the existing sub-40 staffs, where the number of slots is reduced to some degree and the size is reduced to small, would make leveling a small caster much more fun. E.g. Staff of Axilar, 2x7,2x8,2x9, Haste, Light Normal (15m) blue, regen +2, conc +8, spellcraft +8 SR26, True Seeing, use BBOD(17)2x/day, use Imp Invis(7) 2x/day -to- Orb of Axilar, 1x7,1x8,1x9, haste, light normal (5m) blue, regen +2, conc +8, SR26, True Seeing, use bbod(17) 2x/day. Thanks, O'Reilly I agree completely, however I suspect the desire for these items is low to non-existent as most people do not want to be 'gimped' by making a small race caster with the limitations on primary and off hand items that this brings and also most use Gnomes to make either Accursed Pariah or Pale Master characters that get a size change solving this problem at the point they transform. |
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Post by AW O'Reilly on Nov 19, 2020 16:30:40 GMT
I suppose if they could not be equipped in the off hand then there would be no reason not to make them the same - with the exception that small characters get an AC bonus, etc... As it is right now, there are no options for small characters untill they can get through dulvaroth (sp?). Given this - something should be done. If sub-40 small characters were to receive one half of what their med counterparts receive it would be a 100% increase in on-hand spell slots for the little folk - which is sad.
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Post by AW O'Reilly on Nov 19, 2020 16:33:35 GMT
1. Hope you are all well and/or getting better. 2. There are -zero- orb size spell slot items for arcane/divine casters of small stature prior to lvl 34 (40 for all intents and purposes). 3. Making "broken" versions of some of the existing sub-40 staffs, where the number of slots is reduced to some degree and the size is reduced to small, would make leveling a small caster much more fun. E.g. Staff of Axilar, 2x7,2x8,2x9, Haste, Light Normal (15m) blue, regen +2, conc +8, spellcraft +8 SR26, True Seeing, use BBOD(17)2x/day, use Imp Invis(7) 2x/day -to- Orb of Axilar, 1x7,1x8,1x9, haste, light normal (5m) blue, regen +2, conc +8, SR26, True Seeing, use bbod(17) 2x/day. Thanks, O'Reilly I agree completely, however I suspect the desire for these items is low to non-existent as most people do not want to be 'gimped' by making a small race caster with the limitations on primary and off hand items that this brings and also most use Gnomes to make either Accursed Pariah or Pale Master characters that get a size change solving this problem at the point they transform. There are tons of items that most people don't use in the mod. The idea that the desire would be low means nothing to those that do desire it. For a level 29 gnome caster, having a slot orb to equip along side a torch of some sort is desireable - even if to a small number of players. |
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Post by AW O'Reilly on Nov 19, 2020 16:41:29 GMT
BTW, Items of this type are included in legendary levels and rightfully so. 'Not' including them in epic and earlier levels is not logical. Where would the users of the orbs and fans come from? They would come from pre-epic/epic characters that might use an orb/fan of course.
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Post by chirality on Nov 19, 2020 18:40:38 GMT
IAs it is right now, there are no options for small characters untill they can get through dulvaroth (sp?). Not technically true: there's Shade Spike dagger (from Elanna) which is arguably as good or even better than the 35 Rare sorc staff (obviously, by L40 most players swap to UR staff), and Smalls can even use x2, just as their Medium bully colleagues (equal footing there, at least, hue); and then there's Dachy gear for small casters as well which is definitely doable (both in theory an intent) before Dulv (and considering that Maze no longer requires immortality to enter, concerned powergamers could feasibly drag for the tag very early indeed). There's also that crappy orb which we are evidently intended to imagine the Ice Kobold Sorcerer put to impressive use off-camera. Nonetheless... something should be done. Agreed, and I'm certain it's been brought up more than once over the years. The shop staffs are, for all intents and purposes, meaningless, with ~1-2 slot/level. Offtopic, but while we're here, these should get a slight boost imo. With the dearth of rest-safe zones in PoA zones, playing casters with effectively zero bonus slots is not only aggravating and lame (well, just requiring a lot of anchor tping, then miraculously they're OP, ofc) but also extremely painful for classes like druid and cleric in particular which essentially are relegated to the role of hybrid bufftank for the majority of pre-40 play. Anyway, orb/fan complements to both 29/35 R, as well as shop, staffs would be cool, at a bare minimum. One step further would be to add unique set drops to complement the scattered few staffs (e.g. Gaobin, Axilar). As a sidenote, there's two aspects of the R staffs which are quite nice for the Medium lowbie casters than can use: a) they offer additional props which, while arguably marginally useful at best, still provide an edge in gearing ease; b) they offer spell-like abilities, which, while again are arguably marginally useful at best, still provide an edge in QoL (such as BBoD and Imp Invis--in fact, with <10 L9 slots, 2 free BBoD/day is extremely useful in practice). In the grand scheme of things this isn't a big deal, but for people who play lowbies and enjoy such things, it's deserving of attention imo. Maybe one potential solution for set drops could be for either Cogs (if BaseRace=Gnome) or Zeke (if Halfling=1) to sell a suitable item (obviously Zeke provides an Orb, cuz well, it's Zeke the orb-guy, and Cogs provides a mechanical ornithopter-wing fan) upon request. Spacing out ~2 items each should be about equivalent to the existing Medium-compatible set drops--let's say @ around L30 and 35. I think this would be a nice compromise to saving some time and energy on either fashioning some "halfling tunnel hole for boots of speed" secret to hide something on a tag run, or figuring out where exactly to place a new set drop ingame (that said, obviously Axilar and Gaobin would be the easy solutions, and there's literally _tons_ of loot spots in both areas, comprised of multiple linked zones--maybe BDK camp could hold a sorc one for theme, etc) I would still like to see both shop and random R 29/35--just literally copy-paste the item info from the sorc/wiz staffs onto orb base. |
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Post by woqued on Nov 19, 2020 20:56:28 GMT
Ideas:
Arcanes:
[sorc]Crystallized Gazer, orb from the Elder Orb area, whatever amount of slots deemed appropriate for a caster knowing lvl 9 spells, I'm really out of touch with spellslot count in these levels
[wiz] Bonespike, no clue on slots and stuff, from Dracolich
Orb of Shadows, lvl 33-35 caster orb from Morgue of Darkness, +1-2 to lvl slots 5-9 compared to Gazer, shouldn't have more lowbie slots due to Gazer unique (they spam low level detrimental spells) added benefit of casting Shadow Shield CL 33-35
Fan of Ak'chazar, lvl 30 special orb only lvl 7-9 spells but in higher quantity from Rakshasa Cove
Divine:
Druid torch/club/stick/fan/thing from the three hags place, lvl ~~26-30
Druid fan "Rainbow Scale" or something from Glith, lvl 38-40, bit weaker than UR staff
Cleric small shield with slots from Asimathas, lvl 29; 3 slots 1-5, 2 slots 6-7, 1 slot 8-9, some ac?
Cleric orb lvl 40 from Temple of Lolth, some appropriate amount of slots bit lower than UR staff
I didn't put much thought into this, just to get the ball rolling if this ever caught anyones' eye. Shouldn't take much effort to come up with something better. I recall hoping for more unique shields for divines leveling up, avoided small toons like cancer due to lack of equipment in general so can't help with it, avoided intentionally
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Post by FunkySwerve on Nov 23, 2020 16:33:43 GMT
Running this by the Team.
Tx,
Funky
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Post by FunkySwerve on Nov 24, 2020 3:23:41 GMT
Raj will be making some of these for next update, which I'm hoping to drop this coming weekend.
Funky
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