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Post by merkley on Dec 9, 2020 13:37:24 GMT
After specializing, I am no now longer able to despecialize when barring a school that I have ESF or higher in.
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Post by kingcamaro on Dec 9, 2020 13:47:53 GMT
its listed a couple posts under the recent update
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Post by merkley on Dec 9, 2020 14:09:28 GMT
Thanks KC.
I did a forum search, but nothing recent came up for "!despecialize" or "despecialize", so I thought it was safe to proceed.
Is there any way to fix this, without having to reincarnate?
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Post by FunkySwerve on Dec 9, 2020 14:19:49 GMT
No, that's what reincarnation is for.
Funky
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Post by merkley on Dec 9, 2020 15:05:11 GMT
Fair enough. I just lose out on 3 PSK and 3 PSF now, so I was trying my best avoid that.
Bit of a derail, but the "Wizard Specialization PSK Pivot" was a very handy feature that helped seperate the Wizard Class from Sorcerer. Having the ability to cast 5 to 6 Paragons and 5-10 epics really helped bridged the power gap that Sorcs have over Wizards.
Since the de-specialization route is now blocked at after immortality. Can LL/PL Wizards now get 1 Specialization, with no barred schools to offset the change.
This would allow wizards to have 1 extra Para/Epic and 1 extra PSF over sorcs. Not quite as powerful as before, but even with the old PSK pivot, Wizards were still a rare site to been seen on the server.
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Post by chirality on Dec 9, 2020 15:14:46 GMT
I'd probably phrase it more as "unintended exploit-adjacent feature" rather than "pivot", but wizardthread is a big ol' fish to fry so let's head over if people are feeling the wizbalance itch needing a-scratchin'
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Post by woqued on Dec 9, 2020 15:17:44 GMT
I think they weren't a common sight because a lot of people weren't doing it because it was very obviously not intended, and as such tip-toeing somewhere between "clever use of game mechanics" and "bug abuse".
Not sure Wizards becoming epic spam bots is the way to bridge the gap. That is one way I guess, but doesn't seem as exciting. Rather have the specializations do something very uniquely powerful and give Wizards sorc bonus spell slot numbers to have more spells to play with in their book.
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Post by merkley on Dec 9, 2020 15:35:53 GMT
I agree that it would be nice for wizards to have their own niche, rather than being C tier sorcs.
Although with PoP, it seems to me that the devs were pushing the class to be more of a Paragon spell "spammer", as they are the only class that has access to that extra para spell, afaik.
But until the Wizard gets a significant overhaul, I dont really see the harm in allowing them to have the "PSK Pivot" available. It really was the only thing making the class playable.
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Post by chainlink on Dec 9, 2020 16:02:58 GMT
Technically it invalidates your character as you need either specialization or PSF in a school to obtain the PSK, nuff said.
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Post by FunkySwerve on Dec 9, 2020 16:17:42 GMT
I think they weren't a common sight because a lot of people weren't doing it because it was very obviously not intended, and as such tip-toeing somewhere between "clever use of game mechanics" and "bug abuse". Not being one to beat around the bush, I call them exploits. Why does the OP think it was blocked? By accident? Funky
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Post by merkley on Dec 13, 2020 17:02:33 GMT
I'm still in the process of reincarnating my wizard and ran into a few more issues related to wizard specialization. Issue #1: I took necro specialization and barred div and enchant. My build was 39wiz/1pm to take advantage of the PM ability to cast PWK and bestow curse as Necromancy spells, in addition to some other benefits the class provides. However, the theory did not work out in practice and I receive the "unable to cast spell in barred school" message when casting PWK, and bestow curse uses the lower Trans DC. My thoughts are, you technically become a PM upon taking your first level of PM, so this should be enough to cast the spells according to the spell descriptions. I have no method of testing what allows a PM to cast the spells as they are documented(no spec pedestal in test lab, cant reinc to LL PM), so I am assuming that it is supposed to be Epic Pale Masters, possibly LL, that are able to cast the spells spells as described. 158.69.144.21/wiki/Bestow_Curse158.69.144.21/wiki/Power_word%2C_killFrom the PM class guide: Divination - Power word, kill is a divination spell, but is treated as a Necromancy spell for Pale Masters. Barring divination will not prevent Pale Masters from using this spell but will potentially limit its affect on creatures that require having Greater Spell Focus (or higher) to pierce their resistance to Death Magic. Issue #2: I have LSF Necro and Necro Specialization, but I am unable to skip the PSF feat and take PSK:Necro as documented on the forum and its intended functionality verified by chainlink earlier in this post. From Wizard class guide--This additional rank does not help qualify for custom Higher Ground epic spells but does allow earlier access to the Paragon spell for the specialization class.--
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Post by FunkySwerve on Dec 13, 2020 17:53:41 GMT
What are the bugs you're reporting?
Funky
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Post by chainlink on Dec 13, 2020 19:35:00 GMT
I'm still in the process of reincarnating my wizard and ran into a few more issues related to wizard specialization. Issue #1: I took necro specialization and barred div and enchant. My build was 39wiz/1pm to take advantage of the PM ability to cast PWK and bestow curse as Necromancy spells, in addition to some other benefits the class provides. However, the theory did not work out in practice and I receive the "unable to cast spell in barred school" message when casting PWK, and bestow curse uses the lower Trans DC. My thoughts are, you technically become a PM upon taking your first level of PM, so this should be enough to cast the spells according to the spell descriptions. I have no method of testing what allows a PM to cast the spells as they are documented(no spec pedestal in test lab, cant reinc to LL PM), so I am assuming that it is supposed to be Epic Pale Masters, possibly LL, that are able to cast the spells spells as described. 158.69.144.21/wiki/Bestow_Curse158.69.144.21/wiki/Power_word%2C_killFrom the PM class guide: Divination - Power word, kill is a divination spell, but is treated as a Necromancy spell for Pale Masters. Barring divination will not prevent Pale Masters from using this spell but will potentially limit its affect on creatures that require having Greater Spell Focus (or higher) to pierce their resistance to Death Magic. Issue #2: I have LSF Necro and Necro Specialization, but I am unable to skip the PSF feat and take PSK:Necro as documented on the forum and its intended functionality verified by chainlink earlier in this post. From Wizard class guide--This additional rank does not help qualify for custom Higher Ground epic spells but does allow earlier access to the Paragon spell for the specialization class.-- You don't need to take LSF Necromancy if you have specialized. you only need ESF, that may be where the problem is?
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Post by Paradoom on Dec 13, 2020 19:42:12 GMT
merkleyIt is correct that for a PM pwk becomes a necro spell. BUT if you bare divination it prevents you from using that spell in the first place. So not a bug but working as it should. If one level of PM is actually enough to make it a necro spell is doubtful. As I understand it you need at least 20 levels of PM if not CC PM to get this benefit. Sadly the description is not really clear on it, but I assume that is the case. As Chain said. ESF is what you need to specialize
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Post by merkley on Dec 13, 2020 19:49:23 GMT
Bug 1: unable to take necro psk with necro spec and lsf necro
Resolution: You require to have the Epic Spell Token before getting the ability to take the PSK feat.
Bug 2: Unable to cast PWK as PM when Div is barred
Resolution: Requires to have CC PM not just splash PM
@funky I will try and replicate the bug that causes the server crash once my reincarnation is complete.
@kc Thank you for helping me work through the issue(s)
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