Do monks need Will saves?

[bort]

Do monks with the Perfect Self feat (Innate mind immunity at 20 levels of monk) need Will saves? Or are they immune to whatever might happen on failing Will saves, because of their mind immunity?
(unlikely, but thought i should check

[starlandra]

wow never leveled one that high... lol good idea though

[the1kobra]

I know that my Crazed kobold from hell is immune to about all of the mind affecting stuff that the thids throw at you, almost as if he has a permanent, non-dispellable Mind Blank on at all times. Unfortunately, I don't know if that holds true for hells runs, though I do know the paladin immunity to fear helps greatly, but I'm not sure about monk's perfect self. I would assume it would protect you from anything mind blank would though.

[cathedralmaster]

According to Yomi's info, one of Asmodeus's attacks has a will save with an effect that is not mind affecting (125 dmg) so I would make sure to have decent will saves. I wouldn't be suprised if there are other will saves with non-mind affecting effects that perfect self won't protect you from. Shouldn't be that hard to get good will saves anyway if you took a lot of pre-epic monk levels.

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[dodrudon]

There was a thread some time back where Funky asked for people to suggest mob abilities be changed so that immunities would apply to them, among those were the thid abilities.

[bort]

cathedralmaster said:

According to Yomi's info, one of Asmodeus's attacks has a will save with an effect that is not mind affecting (125 dmg) so I would make sure to have decent will saves. I wouldn't be suprised if there are other will saves with non-mind affecting effects that perfect self won't protect you from. Shouldn't be that hard to get good will saves anyway if you took a lot of pre-epic monk levels.

Thought as much, thanks for confirming