Spells for Pariah

[cathedralmaster]

I've been trying to decide what spells I'd want to use on pariah and came up with this:


Level 1
• Endure Elements
• Ice dagger
• Horizikaul's boom
• Expeditious retreat
• Burning Hands

Level 2
• Stone bones
• Melf's acid arrow
• Gedlee's electric loop
• Death armor
• Combust

Level 3
• Mestil's acid breath
• Negative energy burst
• Vampiric touch
• Displacement

Level 4
• Elemental shield
• Ice storm
• Improved invisibility
• Evard's black tentacles

Level 5
• Energy buffer
• Lesser spell mantle
• Firebrand
• Ball Lightning

Level 6
• Greater Stoneskin
• Tenser's transformation
• Chain Lightning

Level 7
• Bigby's grasping hand
• Finger of death
• Great thunderclap

Level 8
• Greater sanctuary
• Horrid wilting
• Incendiary Cloud

Level 9
• Bigby's crushing hand
• Meteor swarm
• Wail of the Banshee


What do you think?

[DragonChyld]

Heh, I think you just saved me alot of work, although your the second person who I have seen today recommend the 9th level hand... Whats the reasoning?

I only get 2 known 9th level spells with my build so its choosing between The hand and MS. Thoughts?


~ DC

[exeli]

You need 9th level hands to grab Rakshasas in Hells.

[bort]

If you were going Gnome base (you get free large size with Pariah at level 17ish, so small size isn't an issue) you'd get +con and free spell focus illusion - in which case I'd take weird over wail, as I heard it's better for hell (not sure if that's actually true though).

[DragonChyld]

OK that has got me thinking as I am using a gnome base, and I only get 2 9th level spells.. Feats are tight as hell, whats the advice on LL Focuses and what 2 9th level spells to pick? IF I went Illusion as opposed to Necro I would in fact pick up 1 feat. Or perhaps a diff school for the grabbys as opposed to Evo?


~ DC

[flynn01]

not taking GMW at 3rd? I'd assume your party would bend over backwards for +15

[cathedralmaster]

flynn01 said:

not taking GMW at 3rd? I'd assume your party would bend over backwards for +15

Going 20 Barb/20 Sorc - so no epics, and given how few feats this class gets (I'm going to have 21 feats total), no good reason to take Epic Focus (Transmutation) let alone the LL.

[thedomicron]

this looks like a pretty standard set of sorc spells, so it ought to work just fine. i think it might be advantageous to take legendary transmutation, the book gives you epic so you'd only need one more, so that you can take bestow curse and flesh to stone, as those are two transmutation spells which are currrently seldom used. with the new fighter feats and debuffing trend i'm seeing (lash of hatred, fighter disarm/knockdown) i think the pariah lowering saves and stoning will be a boon to any party.

[cathedralmaster]

thedomicron said:

this looks like a pretty standard set of sorc spells, so it ought to work just fine. i think it might be advantageous to take legendary transmutation, the book gives you epic so you'd only need one more, so that you can take bestow curse and flesh to stone, as those are two transmutation spells which are currrently seldom used. with the new fighter feats and debuffing trend i'm seeing (lash of hatred, fighter disarm/knockdown) i think the pariah lowering saves and stoning will be a boon to any party.

You can't take the transmutation focus as a book - pariah requires you have greater spell focus (trans) by lvl 19. As far as bestow curse goes, unless your a bane knight, trying to cast it will just get you killed. And taking 2 feats just so you can stone single monsters while the shifter next to you is stoning a dozen per gaze just doesn't seem like a good idea.

It would be nice if you could GMW people, sure. I'd love to be able to - but it would come at the expense that the build would become worthless cept as a buff bot. You should see what I'm already giving up - regular sorcs like my Madie Dementia got 27 feats and she only had 3 epic spell focuses.

[DragonChyld]

lol, I feel your Pain Cath, I actually gave up a 9th level slot to go 20 Barb/19 Sorc/1 Fighter, JUST so I could pick up the figher bonus feat for Toughness and not have to spend one of my 21 feats for Heavy Armor. I will have only 2 LL focused schools, And I am hoping I chose right with Evo and Necro.

~ DC

[Stupiddave]

Looks fine - DCs might be low, but the spells are fine.

You could probably drop Negative Energy Burst for GMW - one spell doesn't make you a buff bot, and you've got other options (Bigby, Ice Storm, Wail, MS, Horrid Wilting, Incendiary Cloud, etc.)

Parties like GMW...