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Post by bhao on Jun 23, 2007 20:14:54 GMT
hi was wondering, if anyone had any opinions on the following: a theurge with just enough wiz levels to get tensers and ev, all the rest cleric levels and 1 aa. then get zen archery, max wisdom. should be really nice ab as well as decent spell dc and penetration. worst thing i see atm is the ac, but i guess ev would be fairly high. anyone tried this maybe?  or should i just build a divine slinger?  |
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Post by dodrudon on Jun 23, 2007 20:39:25 GMT
As you say, DCs and penetration are "decent" but hardly sufficient for Hell runs. You'd basically be a buffed tank, not to mention your AB isn't too good either. You'd be relying on mord/breach rings a lot too, though Elemental Shield and Acid Sheath partially cover those.
It seems to me to be too much of everything and not enough of what you need.
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Post by bhao on Jun 23, 2007 20:55:38 GMT
ab should compare somewhat to that of other tanks and i don't think i would lose any dc compared to other theurges either. just think of it as adding 1 aa to an existing theurge build. that's 1 less penetration/caster level.
the feats needed for aa would replace 1 epic spell.
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Post by nohmask on Jun 23, 2007 22:04:44 GMT
Hmm...an interesting idea, but if you are imploding with max wisdom when are you going to have the time for shooting arrows? To say nothing of using divine ray on the pit fiends/those implode immune....is that what you are trying for, something that will damage things that are not implode immune? Or is this build for pre hells only? N.
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Post by bhao on Jun 24, 2007 11:15:50 GMT
i don't know. i was just wondering. this is similar to the pyramid scheme/paradoxical spellbow build, but actually has high cleric spell dc. hadn't thought about it in terms where it might be useful.
i am still rather concerned about the really crappy ac, since the monk level is missing. maybe i'll do a test build or two.
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Post by the1kobra on Jun 24, 2007 16:42:59 GMT
If you have poor AC and no monk levels, you might want to consider using a speed boosting subrace.
Lycan probably is not your best choice, though shard does come to mind. (The +4 dex and con are always useful). There are probably a few i'm not thinking of at the moment, but either way, you will probably want a speed boost to make sure you stay out of harm's way.
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Post by starlandra on Jun 26, 2007 2:54:36 GMT
would love to see this tested.
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Post by nicnik on Jun 28, 2007 22:57:13 GMT
it will be a runner if wis based. you will live on EV and thats it. If you enjoy it, it's ok. otherwise I'd say it's pretty pointless.
Even if u get yourself 19 wis 18 int base, rest into dex, the ac still isn't great as you wouldn't get as much dexterity as, say a non-monk aa.
Would the damage hurt allot if you didn't have the AA level? Coz to me, it's def better as zen monk. I havem't made an AA, but I'm guessing with 1 AA level you jus want to use the bows.
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Post by bunnyman on Jul 10, 2007 23:18:45 GMT
IMO you should do 1 monk between 37-40
The AA would just add 1 damage and access to some aa quivers? The monk would give you 40 tumble once you get the monk level (instead of 30 at 60) and ~20-30 wisdom ac. Seems like an easy choice to me.
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Post by ladyq on Jul 11, 2007 1:28:26 GMT
i think the idea was to be able to access the aa equip. I'm thinking sort of along the same lines, but using Druid/AA/(bard/wiz/sorc), as a buff machine/archer. its kind of the same ac/disc situation there as well
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Post by thedomicron on Jul 11, 2007 15:08:59 GMT
the aa level gives you access to the db bows, which grant an extra attack and provide high versatility with dmg types.
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