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Post by whodat1 on Sept 22, 2006 3:36:13 GMT
cha effects some of the cleric spells. Extra feat is nice, but its not huge important for the build, although I wouldn't call it useless. Having strider is def a plus tho. Cosmetics as well, not everyone likes being a bug. Thri-keen might be a better choice then aasimar, but at 60 I think saves are of most concern for cleric.
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Post by flynn01 on Sept 28, 2006 19:16:13 GMT
CHA affects cleric spells? I knew it affected turning and most domain abilities, but spells?
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Post by bort on Sept 28, 2006 19:51:44 GMT
IIRC Charisma only affects the duration of Cleric's special abilities granted by their choice of domain, not actual spells. Not really something you'd want to change a build for, unless you were going to pump your Charisma some for more/better turning ability and to get Divine Might/Shield (and increase their duration).
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Post by FunkySwerve on Sept 28, 2006 19:52:26 GMT
No, it doesn't. All cleric DCs, etc are Wis-based. Funky
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Post by bort on Oct 1, 2006 17:15:26 GMT
Currently doing a build based on this but with one less epic spell focus and a few feat swap arounds.. I'm using Thri-Kreen (comes with free armor skin and 'strider' ability). It's working out fantastically so far, I can easily solo many of the places I'm going with parties and still get reasonable xp. Nice build, thanks! Can't find a staff for a cleric pre-dachy though* Oh well. I'm feeling overpowered already ;D *Anduin's staff is a joke.
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Post by bort on Oct 1, 2006 17:41:38 GMT
p.s. Don't get any funny ideas Funky! Is it worth taking the Fighter level if I already have Armor Skin? Won't that inccur a -20% XP penalty for LL? Or does being Human ignore the Cleric levels and as Monk and Fighter are both 1, there's no problem?
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Post by bort on Oct 1, 2006 23:02:29 GMT
Did a little test while waiting for CEP 2.0 to download.. If you go with Thri-Kreen as I did, swap armor skin for blind fight if you haven't already taken it, to remove the Ab bonus from concealed creatures attacking you.
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Post by phalthallus on Nov 9, 2006 21:43:44 GMT
Quick question on this. If you went Pixie for this, which gets +2 WIS and +2 CHA, it seems like Paladin is a better choice over Fighter, no? The bonus to saves would be the gain, while you'd lose 1 feat, correct? Or am I overlooking something else? Also, would the build be hurt that much by taking 2 levels of monk, one early, and one at 40? I just think getting that wisdom bonus to AC early on would be very nice for survivability. Plus then you get deflect arrows.
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Post by cathedralmaster on Nov 10, 2006 2:07:21 GMT
Quick question on this. If you went Pixie for this, which gets +2 WIS and +2 CHA, Be sure to remember that Pixie is a small sized race meaning you won't be able to use any of the nice UR shields in conjunction with the Staff of Kyon. As clerics need all the defenses they can get, IMO going with a small size race for a caster cleric is a big mistake.
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Post by phalthallus on Nov 10, 2006 3:12:49 GMT
But if you plan on using a shield, why bother with 1 level of Monk? Just for Evade?
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Post by exeli on Nov 10, 2006 4:52:45 GMT
Evasion and 40 points to tumble to gain +8 to ac.
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Post by chainlink on Nov 10, 2006 8:40:04 GMT
Quick question on this. If you went Pixie for this, which gets +2 WIS and +2 CHA, Be sure to remember that Pixie is a small sized race meaning you won't be able to use any of the nice UR shields in conjunction with the Staff of Kyon. As clerics need all the defenses they can get, IMO going with a small size race for a caster cleric is a big mistake. Tell me about it! That's why my gnome cleric retired shortly after I got him to immortal status.
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Post by phalthallus on Nov 10, 2006 14:28:02 GMT
Could anyone touch on my other questions in that post? (I did ask more than just "could I do this with a pixie?" you know) I'm still wondering what is gained/lost by taking paladin over fighter, besides swapping 1 feat for +'s to saves, and also asked about taking 2 levels of monk total, one early on, and one at 40. Thoughts on these two ideas?
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Post by ekstroem on Nov 10, 2006 14:55:21 GMT
Could anyone touch on my other questions in that post? (I did ask more than just "could I do this with a pixie?" you know) I'm still wondering what is gained/lost by taking paladin over fighter, besides swapping 1 feat for +'s to saves I would pick paladin instead of fighter to increase saves (but then again I'm quite paranoid about making builds with low saves). Especially the low reflex saves are a pain. I don't think 2 levels of monk is worth it. The only reason to get 2 levels of monk would be for deflect arrows and if you intend to use a shield/torch/something that that has no point. As for getting 1 monk level early to increase AC through tumble in low levels I wouldn't do it. I don't mind having crappy ac for a lot of levels if the toon turns out nicely in the end. Taking just 1 level of monk will get you higher 1 higher spell penetration, increased duration/power on your spells and you will have absolutely no use of the 1st monk level once you take your second monk level to increase tumble to 40. Cheers, Claus
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Post by Yomi on Nov 10, 2006 21:25:51 GMT
I didn't take improved combat casting or combat casting on my cleric. It was a pain for a while, but less so at higher levels. But mainly because I finally learned to put defensive mode on my hotkey list. My strategy in the desert is to run around rounding them up, hit key for defensive mode, prayer, then start imploding away. No attacks of opportunity from casting.
Partly because of this, I got silent, extend, and empower all early. Extend is debatable in LL's, but was nice early. Silent or still is a must.
I didn't take LL enchant, and only got 3 focuses instead of the 4 listed for this build. But I did get Great Wis 10 and Epic Reflexes. The latter is really nice for the desert as it meant a lot less turning to stone (at level 58 my reflex save is 49 and ought to go to 50 at the end). Absolutely maxing wisdom is a must if you want to be a true caster using implodes. I would also recommend dropping the fighter level to increase spell damage/duration/benefit and spell penetration. Paladin I could almost see for the +7 to saves, but again, another 5% chance of every LL monster to save vs. your implodes (via SR). And definitely no more monk levels if you want a caster cleric (remember the monk wisdom AC bonus only applies if you're wearing robes and no shield, and I think full armor and tower shield works best for a traditional caster cleric, since you'd lose 16 AC, at least 25% physical immunity, implosion immunity, and perhaps more).
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