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Post by dragonledak on Aug 1, 2011 6:51:20 GMT
So first off I want to say I love the update and thank you so much.
Something I noticed while playing my slinger was that his gmw did attack bonus instead of enhancement bonus. The ab bonus is all but useless because almost any sling, ssithraks and on, will have +16 ab on it making their gmw pointless, and they do not have issues in reaching the +20 cap anyways. I always thought the slingers gmw was part of their niche being able to get +16 enhancement if you invest is LSF: enchant which a lot of builds don't.
And if enhancement is defiantly out for slingers than maybe their gmw needs something else like able to add damage like your str mod does to the mighty property.
I don't know, the way it is now is kind of pointless and is not worth casting, it might as well not be a slinger spell, and if that is the case I guess that is fine too, but I thought their gmw was supposed to be special for slings since they were so gifted in the art of rock throwing they could bypass damage resistance(or is it reduction?).
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Post by Werehound Silverfang on Aug 1, 2011 6:53:32 GMT
Attack bonus *does* bypass damage resistance, but you lose the damage bonus associated with Enhancement. I do think it was a pretty hard hit.
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Post by Salek on Aug 1, 2011 10:34:05 GMT
Yes... pls... may I ask to revert that change? or was it considered overpowered?
Anyways: Thx a BUNCH for all the changes to this quasiclass, cant wait to play it again later this day, was kinda "stucking" waiting for a nessus run.
Only got laughed at by other ppl so I stopped playing the 'lil bugger a few month ago.
Cheers and keep up the good work Salek
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Post by CataclysmicDeath on Aug 1, 2011 13:30:08 GMT
I have to say I don't understand how changing +16 Enhancement Bonus to Attack Bonus for Slingers keeps things balanced?
It may be that I am missing something here and if so fair enough but if so could someone explain to me the reasoning behind this change?
Once you hit 55+ there is only 2 Slings you are likely to use, Stingers Barbs which comes with +17 AB and Whistling Cannon which comes with +16 but has Keen.
Allowing Slingers to cast a +16 Attack Bonus GMW on Slings at this point is completely redundant and imo doesn't just nerf the Slinger GMW but renders it completely and totally obsolete.
As it stands now you may as well take the bog standard IOF and Miracle Epics and be done with it. Save yourself a feat as you wont need Leg Enchant since Epics only require Epic SF and the Enchant Focus becomes useful only if you want Girding on your Slinger
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Post by KnightErrant on Aug 1, 2011 14:41:04 GMT
Maybe allow Slingers to get +20 attack bonus/to hit added since they're "masters of the thrown rock" ? Tho tbh not sure there are any mobs besides Orthons that this would really matter...at least not atm, that could change I guess.
KE.
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Post by CataclysmicDeath on Aug 1, 2011 17:45:40 GMT
Maybe allow Slingers to get +20 attack bonus/to hit added since they're "masters of the thrown rock" ? Tho tbh not sure there are any mobs besides Orthons that this would really matter...at least not atm, that could change I guess. KE. By the time you have finished Buffing you have +20 any way. Hitting the cap is something you can do with very little effort. This change would do basically zero to help. If the Bard gives +4 to AB you don't even need to buff to hit the +20 cap on AB. Cata
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Post by Werehound Silverfang on Aug 1, 2011 17:48:32 GMT
He's talking about 20 AB so that you can bypass Orthon Damage Reduction.
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Post by Yojimbo on Aug 1, 2011 17:52:04 GMT
Maybe allow Slingers to get +20 attack bonus/to hit added since they're "masters of the thrown rock" ? Tho tbh not sure there are any mobs besides Orthons that this would really matter...at least not atm, that could change I guess. KE. By the time you have finished Buffing you have +20 any way. Hitting the cap is something you can do with very little effort. This change would do basically zero to help. If the Bard gives +4 to AB you don't even need to buff to hit the +20 cap on AB. Cata Except +20 on the weapon even if it is only Attack Bonus will count for bypassing soak though I don't know what if anything has a soak over +16.
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Post by CataclysmicDeath on Aug 1, 2011 18:11:55 GMT
And the buffs don't count towards that? Hmm didn't realise that.
What do those buffs count towards then? Just your to hit bonus?
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Post by Werehound Silverfang on Aug 1, 2011 18:31:54 GMT
Yes. Just your hit bonus. Only +AB and +EB on weapons bypasses reduction.
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Post by CataclysmicDeath on Aug 1, 2011 18:35:55 GMT
The it might be of use then if your Slingers Greater Ruins fail to insta the Orthon Cata
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Post by dragonledak on Aug 1, 2011 18:44:14 GMT
I think I would rather have plus 16 damage.
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Post by gandoron on Aug 1, 2011 20:23:27 GMT
I think I'm getting confused. In general, (not slinger specific) + attack bonus does not help beat soak, ONLY enhancement bonus does correct?
Were, your last post seemed to say that was incorrect.
-G
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Post by Werehound Silverfang on Aug 1, 2011 20:28:54 GMT
+Attack Bonus DOES help beat soak. That's Attack Bonus on items, not the bonus to hit that spells like Bless and Aid give you.
The ONLY difference between +EB and +AB is EB comes with bonus damage. They both penetrate soak.
But with slings having +16 and +17 AB already, GMW is now worthless.
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Post by fallenwizard on Aug 1, 2011 21:38:38 GMT
Yes what Were said, weapon with attack bonus property on it will pierce soaks.
However people speaking of 2 different AB's can get things mixed up.
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