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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 20:24:20 GMT
Cata? I am wondering why you consider this to be abuse by the person selling the PW, since clearly the buyer is Tashsha when NO ONE is making her go through with it. If someone sets a price which one perceives to be extreme or excessive then don't pay the price. If you're willing (or whoever) is willing to make the trade with whatever terms then that should be the end of it. If either party felt they weren't getting a fair shake then don't do the trade. Pretty simple.
So, calling someone out for picking a price they like seems a little ridiculous. Just tell your friend you think it's too much and let them make that determination. The practice isn't malicious, inappropriate, or otherwise harmful when no one is forcing anyone else to make this trade, and when people like you are around to inform buyers or sellers of potentially "unbalanced" trades.
This thread is a little absurd.
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Post by gandoron on Jul 13, 2012 20:30:00 GMT
Cata, you might want to edit a few words in that last post.
I'm all for fairness and not ripping anyone off, but our game provide a number of ways to help with price/value discovery. The live market lists showing prices of bids, a chat and bazaar channel so people can ask about fair pricing, and our forums.
Were are you undercutting my 20PH=1PW offer...how unfair of you!!!
-G
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Post by Werehound Silverfang on Jul 13, 2012 20:45:44 GMT
BTW That is the price Tashsha offered. The one selling the PW didn't say "I'll take it for 30 PHs". She offered that in the end.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 21:06:36 GMT
This is a kind of silly thread. There are plenty of "quest type" trades floating around right now, and afaik the ones doing the "quests" are not light weights, poor in items, or easily played people by any means what so ever. In fact, there are heavy weight players doing these kinds of 'quests'. They enjoy it and are getting what they want in return. Whats the problem? Tash is a big girl, a good player, one of the more fun people on the server, and if she wants a pw and that is the best price, and she enjoys farming toyshop, good on her and her trade partner.
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Post by Michael Buble on Jul 13, 2012 21:15:41 GMT
Personally if someone has a glutton of PW's chuck a few in the auction chests and see what they are worth.
As for Portable holes I'd like to get 3 of them if someone has them for sale privately let me know. I promise not to mock myself for buying them.
And as for Tasha being able to farm Portable Holes I say Bravo!!!! You're doing something I'm not doing and I'd love to get a copy of your build if you'd share it so I could do the same thing for myself.
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Post by Lil' Mikey (Msowby2) on Jul 13, 2012 22:29:04 GMT
Gee, I wish I had 30 PH's period....or while we are at it a PW. Oh well, one can dream right? Mikey
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Post by Lil' Mikey (Msowby2) on Jul 13, 2012 22:34:44 GMT
I do find the way this thread has gone to be quite disappointing. I think Cata's heart was in the right place trying to protect friend/allies/whatever and make sure people were not getting sour ends of the deal. In this case Tash offered the 30 PW's which I dont think was clarified by either sides of this argument. When I was new I had players try to take advantage of me, and then players like Cata who looked out for me and helped me make decent trades. I want to say a thanks to Cata for looking out for player base and I do understand why he said something, I probally wouldve too. Its nice to see players who are looking out for others instead of having a community of -completely- selfish players.
Mikey
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Post by pharohosiris on Jul 13, 2012 23:49:21 GMT
I'ts too "BAD" that the person with the PW doesn't comment on the thread. Would like to hear his/her side of the trade. "BAD" vibes come off from the sound of this trade. It certainly sounds like a "BAD" trade
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2012 0:00:48 GMT
The trade was totally legit. The trade was 30 Portable Holes for a Planewalker.
It was a small amount of PH's up front, and the remainder overtime. The PW was delivered up front. How is that NOT a fair trade. "Hey, farm the items as you get them and give me them, but enjoy this awesome item now." Tash is more than capable of farming this, and farms regularly, look at her history in Uro. Toyshop would be quite easy for her.
Anyone who says this trade is unfair, when she is the one who made the offer, and was given an indefinite period of time to deliver the trade in full, but was able to use the item from the get go is ignorant.
Even if the circumstances were such that she was paying 30 PH in full for a PW, she is CHOOSING to do so. How is that unfair? ANYONE can ask in any of the various chat channels, or talk to friends prior to doing any trade and get input. All of this is quite ridiculous.
She was happy with it, so was the other party. Then people come in and cry about it being "unfair". I'm sorry you didn't have the opportunity for a great deal for each party. If you value whatever you're buying highly, you'll do what it takes to get it. How is ANY of this wrong?
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Post by johnny on Jul 14, 2012 1:05:16 GMT
No matter what happened it's still an unfair trade. People that are here for long would know the value of the items and say so. At least for me, I wouldnt make or accept such an offer, for short or long period for the payment, except if it was from a friend that would be willingly helping me. But it's not my position to judge any of the two as I don't know what happened in the chat or how the payment was/will be done.
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Post by Bad on Jul 14, 2012 3:15:29 GMT
I was going to give this a pass as since cata's return he has mostly called people names and trolled the forums. So I was thinking I would leave this alone.
But since it has gone on this long and Flip so much wanted me to post.
I thought that i would outline what occured so people would have a clear view of all this:
1. This trade was courted by Tasha for a week or more and for a week or more with serveral people on skype I refused this trade each time. (This is how Were knew about it.)
2. Tash is someone I like and I advised her many times not to make this trade. But her persistance was rewarded as I finally gave in.
I really did not want to trade a PW and did not need this many holes, so to make this as easy as possible I sugested the following.
Here are the terms:
I got 7 holes and a crusible
She got the PW
Whenever in the future she farmed these holes she could give them to me.
But now that we have had so much input on the subject from people who had no business at all with any of this, I no longer wish to make this trade and would like the PW back, and will return the holes and crusible.
It would be nice if people first checked with the person they wish to "protect" before making acusations and starting drama as Tash & I both were not very happy about all this becoming fodder for the server's trolls.
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Post by Yojimbo on Jul 14, 2012 3:19:58 GMT
Bad while I think the price Tash paid is more than the PW is worth I don't condemn your actions. I would actually commend the fact you didn't even require full payment upfront. I do understand asking a rather exorbitant amount when you are actually reluctant to trade at all to deter a person. It ultimately is up to the people involved if the trade was good it actually sounds like you are less happy than Tash with the trade Bad which is kind of amusing given how this thread has started.
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Post by bazukar on Jul 14, 2012 3:28:48 GMT
This thread is ridiculous and stupid in the extreme. It's already been stated that tash went after this trade aggressively after being told by bad himself he didnt feel it was a good trade for her, but she insisted. Cata is just trolling and black knighting for someone who didnt need, or want it. Par for the course since he came back from quitting the forums forever. And now we have flip spewing sewage where it isn't needed.
Please lock this thread, nothing will come from it but more trolling.
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Post by Werehound Silverfang on Jul 14, 2012 3:47:53 GMT
Locking this thread is smart after that last post. True to his signature.
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