Trade of the century.....not

[CataclysmicDeath]

30 Portable Holes for 1 Planewalker Ring seriously?

I'm all for getting my moneys worth but that is taking extortion to a whole New level.

I only hope I can find out who did this so I can avoid then from now on. I hate crooks.

Cata

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[Deleted]

How is this extortion? Both items can be easily farmed. If anything, depending on the group farming Nessus, you'd end up with a PW a lot sooner than you would 30 PH.

Maybe the player with the PH doesn't have access to Nessus very much, or at all, has an x1 toon and they want the ring, or they want something valuable for trade bait to get another piece?

Maybe the person the person trading the PW has a ton of toons and wants bank access for all of them? Maybe they think they can sell them all for 1B+ each and make a ton of gold? Maybe they have 5-6 or more PWs in their vaults and this was an easily expendable item, traded for an easily farmed item, but guess what? Now they don't have to farm.

If both players felt they were getting something they valued, for a trade they deemed fair, how can anyone knock this trade at all? Especially when PH's are quite easily farmed, and PW's can be farmed very easily as well, not to mention there are a LOT more Nessus runs happening these days.


Just my .02 and no, I wasn't on either end of this trade.

[pete]

are you telling me that this trade happened?
*checks date* no its not april yet.

im not amazed at the values, the amount of time it takes to get 30 PHs is about the same as a PW in my experiance

what i find amazing is that someone had 30 PHs and someone else wanted 30 PHs, thats more than one for every controle class on the server !!!

[gandoron]

I'll trade a PW for 20 PHs. Have a lot of toons. 1-2 PHs is almost useless to me, I need a lot.

-G

[pete]

whoever made the first trade, quick trade with gand for 10 PH profit

[chainlink]

Its unlikely that either of the participants were unaware of the difficulty in obtaining the items as you don't just start playing here then come across these items.
In which case its down to your negotiation skills.

[CataclysmicDeath]

Sorry but how many if you would give 30 portable holes to obtain 1 pw ring?

Not many if at all I immagine.

Easily farmable?

30 mins for a decent player to farm 1 ph assuming it drops everytime (which unless it changed, I believe it isn't guaranteed to do so) you are talking 15 hours farming. Nessus only takes 4 hours.

PW is something tons of people want, so are PH's

Sorry that just ain't right.

Luckily this deal hasn't been made yet. Nor will it if I get my way. It's rediculous.

Cata

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[buddhamind]

Jul 13, 2012 13:51:29 GMT chainlink said:

Its unlikely that either of the participants were unaware of the difficulty in obtaining the items as you don't just start playing here then come across these items.
In which case its down to your negotiation skills.

I agree. While bizarre, I do not think this is an example of one player trying to take advantage of another player. If someone has 30 (!) portable holes they probably are well aware of what a PW ring is worth.

[CataclysmicDeath]

On another note, the person wanting the PH's obviously has at least 1 or more level 60 plus demi so plays here enough to have time to farm their own ph, since they are east enuf to farm.

And the person wanting the PW ring already has much better and fairer offers annd many times cheaper offers to obtain a pw ring and has the time for Nessus in fact
Already has demi toons.

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[CataclysmicDeath]

If they had that many spare I wouldn't have said anything. If they were spare then the person obviously doesn't need them. When I found out about this the person was in the process of farming them.

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[gandoron]

PH
30 mins per run 25% (iirc) drop rate. 30PH = 60 hrs of solo farming

PW (std play)
2.5 hrs (minimum including formation+loot split, can easily be 3.5+, not to mention wipe chance of 5+%) per run 25% (iirc) drop rate, 10% chance to pick. 1PW = 10X4x2.5 = 100 hours of 10 man nessus playing.

PW farming (4 person group)
1 hrs (not really sure on this) 25% chance to pick 25% chance to drop
1PW = 4x4x1 = 16 hours of play with 4 man farming parties. This is much harder farming than TS, but arguably the fastest way to get a PW if you can find the other group of players. 1-2 man farming is feasible, but very few people can do that.

formation/availability of toyshop is MUCH MUCH higher, and allows for more erratic availability. There are few full nessus runs and if I shout "1 class looking for 9 for nessus", my chance of formation is probably <5% across all hours of the day.

farming 30PHs is probably easier if all you are doing is farming. But you'd never get that many without farming. As a standard course of play for people in parties most people get a PW before 30PHs

-G

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I don't see the big deal, at all.

Not everyone has the toons, the time, or the friends to farm for a PW or do Nessus with any sense of regularity. A PH can be solo'd in a reasonable amount of time allowing players to jump on, get some XP and a chance at worthwhile trade bait with very little risk or time investment. This is quite feasible.

Going along with the that, even players who DO have the toons, the time, and the friends to do Nessus regularly and / or PW still may not have one. I know several who didn't for years and just now got one... If you have the resources to make the trade, do it.


And just because someone has the ability to do it themselves doesn't necessarily mean they want to. If I needed that many PHs I'd certainly make this trade. It all boils down to the value the player places on his items versus what he / she is getting. It could very much be a fair trade for both parties involved.

If you're the player putting the work into the PHs you KNOW what it took, and if you're the player with the PW then the party was definitely going to let you know how valuable the piece was. It would be quite hard to not understand the value behind either.


This isn't an unfair trade by any means. Just because it isn't one you'd make doesn't change the fact ALL trades boil down to the two making the trade and the values they assign to the items involved and not outside opinions.

[CataclysmicDeath]

Sorry but we're just gunna have to agree to dissagree Prepared. Of course you would do this trade if you needed 30 portable holes. I wouldn't but then I don't see this as a fair trade at all. In fact is is very 1 sided imo.

I'd be interested to know if you'd still do the trade if you were the one needing the PW ring and would have to go farm the PH's.
(meaning they weren't already sat in your bankchest.)

I dunno maybe I'm just not greedy
Enough for my own good, it just seems to me that anyone who has time to level up 30 toons has time do do a few toyshops along the way for PH's. Heck I take toons through there for the tag and get a ph while I am at it.

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[johnny]

Just because they want to do the trade that doesn't change the fact that it's an unfair trade. But well, if they want to do it why all of this in this thread? People can do what they want you know!?
I wouldnt trade this either if I was the one with the PW or with the 30xPH, because in the first case I would be feeling guilt of taking advantage of someone else, and in the second player place it would be much better to sell all the PH then ask to buy a PW for 10b more or less, I'm sure people would show up for some big deals like that.
I also wouldn't buy a Wrap for 20 billion or a TA and it has happened already, even though I really want these items. People that really want something will do it for any price and it's not your place to complain unless it's someone you really are involved with. And in that case it's much easier to just tell them not to do the trade than to come here and make a big deal out of something like this.

[Deleted]

I'd do this trade if I needed the PW too! The PW in my mind is invaluable and with the ease of farming PHs why not? I easily could do a couple Toyshops everyday and then it would just be a time thing. I would have all the PHs I need so everything else would be trade bait. If this is what it took to get one and I didn't have one, or a reliable way to get one I would be all about it.

And while some big trades for top items do come up for gold, or whatever else, in most instances you don't see trades like this. A PH is needed one per toon, most people having 30 toons that all need them is a stretch. So the person getting these doesn't get the value right away either.

You can't flood the market with them because it drives the price down when people undercut you. With how easy they are to get, while needed, not everyone needs them, so even unloading them all right away is highly unlikely. And then when you factor in the time needed to get that many toons tagged to Toyshop I'd almost assign the winner of the trade to the person getting the PW. It then boils down to the patience that person has to recouping the value.

But, whoever has the 30 PH knows what it took, and if they have it to throw around, do it. Maybe they don't have anything else of value, or nothing else of value they could trade, but really wanted a PW. I see zero issues with this.