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Post by dodrudon on Jul 18, 2007 1:29:36 GMT
Carrying a Stone of Rebirth in ya pocket so a lag spawn doesn't wipe ya, mebbe so ya can be unlucky once, twice, mebbe three times, sure got no problem with it, but carrying 20 to a guild event so ya can run round knowing that if you die you get rezzed automativcally befrore you even hit the groiund....20 times in a row.....imho is cheating. You are using the items in the game to give you an unfair advantage over players who choose not to go farming the server for a hundred stones of rebirth. ... I have never once been to Hell with a SoR ... I have still managed to get about 6 Characters tagged in Hell, my Large Shape Bloodfire has even gotten as far as needing Maladomini tag. So please if I, who, as it happens, is not a VET in any way shape or form, isn't that great a player or builder of characters, and do not have oodles of uber gear to back up my not so great characters, can actually build a character and take it as far as Maladomini without farming such things and having bags of em in my inventory please do not try to tell me that those of you who are vets here need em, that would really be too funny. ... Cata, while I partially agree with your viewpoint, I do not agree with your line of reasoning. You say "imho is cheating. You are using the items in the game to give you an unfair advantage over players who choose not to go farming the server for a hundred stones of rebirth." It is the CHOICE of players not to go farming the server for these items, how does that make the people who DO farm for these items cheaters? That's like telling the people who farm, say, Dis, or some other circle of Hell, or even the people who farmed Desert when BURs dropped there, cheaters! Farming is NOT cheating. Some consider it, at worst, cheesy, but by no means is it an illegitimate tactic. Also, please don't imply that vets aren't good, that they rely on SoRs to survive, that they need them. Some use them a lot in Hells, some don't. I doubt they NEED them, in the same way BUR subbies aren't NEEDED to conquer Hells.
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Post by cataclysmic on Jul 18, 2007 12:20:24 GMT
My appologies if my post leads you to believe that I think Vets here rely on these things Dod. Perhaps I could have made myself clearer in what I was trying to express. In no way whatsoever was I trying to imply vets are not good or that they NEED or RELY too much on things like SoR. And I agree BUR subbies aren't needed in Hell, I only have one build using a BUR sub myself so can testify to that lol. As far as vets are concerned I am well aware that in any tourney I would have my rear handed to me quite easily. As regards my comment on cheating I was referring to the Pillars events alone. No there is currently no rule against it but the key here is the 'imho' In my honest opinion it is cheating, am I not allowed an opinion? Doing something that isn't against the rules is fine, as long as it doesn't directly interfere with the enjoyment others have of the game. I myself stopped going to Pillars and will not go untill this is resolved one way or another, why? Because killing some one and having them insta raz once, or twice kool good on em, but having enough in their inventory that killing becomes a chore rather than amusement or you die because they manage to kill you once in the time it takes you to kill em 6 times and you get nothing for it? Don't know about you but that completly spoils my enjoyment of the event, that is what I call cheating and you are entitled to disagree and that is you opinion, as this is mine. As far as farming goes, yes I dissagree with it but I have no problem with others doing it, untill it is stopped or a rule comes out that says don't do it more power to ya. If you wanna go farm SoR or nething else get to it, I may not agree with it but as has been said it isn't against the rules. All I was really trying to say (and making a complete hash of saying as it turns out) is that in Guild Events it isn't just cheesey but way above that since it not only gives people an unfair advantage but kind of spoils the enjoyment for others, perhaps cheating is too harsh a word but that is my opinion, whether that oipinion is correct or not I am entitled to it and stick by it. As for Hell runs I was simply trying to point out that if I can do it (being the noob I am) then I am sure that Vets (who NEED them a hell of a lot less than I do) can certainly cope without them. However vet or not if you decide to go farm em then I wont hold it against you tho such blatant cheesyness does kind of take away from your skill as a player and detract from your success dont you think? Personally my reasons for not soing this is because I actually care about how well I do, if I do nething it want to do it well and succeed on my own merits and abilities if that makes sense? Iam quite sureI will probably get shot down inflames for this post too but what the heck. I'll say it ne way
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Post by khaine on Jul 18, 2007 20:11:16 GMT
Delf, I guess its just we have diffrent views on aim and use. The stones bring you back to life, but thats not their purpose. I see their purpose as giving you a second chance, and preventing lag or some other unfortunate event from killing you. I see shadow packs as an improved version of neg pots, protecting against certain enemies. But its not hard to get items with death immune on them, so its function is to do something you can do already in a more convieniant way, as I see it.
I don't think I can really convince you in this, its your opineon ... but its WRONG! ... xD, j/k, xD.
xD.
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Post by ZeroGravitySE on Jul 18, 2007 23:07:57 GMT
I think just having them as random loot would be better, so at least if you have that many stones, you earned the right, instead of just constantly going to one place and picking them up every time the loot respawns or you switch servers. Which can add up to a lot of rebirth stones fast if you spend a couple hours at it.
-ZGSE
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