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Post by FunkySwerve on Jan 8, 2011 20:14:43 GMT
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Post by FunkySwerve on Jan 8, 2011 21:03:47 GMT
Latest reports from UMC say Giffords is in critical condition, surgeon is optimistic about recovery - she was lucid and following commands, despite being shot 'through and through' a part of her brain. He confrims 1 young child dead (about 9), 5 more of 10 they received are in critical condition.
Funky
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Post by Torin on Jan 9, 2011 16:07:20 GMT
That s all horrible and also the top news here in Germany.
A question (I'm not from US) what is "2A 'Remedies' "?
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Post by Balduvard on Jan 9, 2011 16:26:59 GMT
The 2nd Amendment (2A) is the right to bear arms. A 2A remedy is utilizing the 2nd Amendment (i.e. using arms) to achieve political goals. You can refer to this article for more detailed background.
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Post by FunkySwerve on Jan 9, 2011 19:24:35 GMT
In particular, in this campaign, Sarah Palin targeted Giffords' race as one of twenty around the country - with a gun sight on Tucson on the map. She also coined the phrase 'don't retreat, reload', among others. And then there was Giffords' nutjob opponent Jessy Kelly, who went so far as to invite supporters to a rally to fire off a fully auto M16 to help 'remove' her from office. Republican media outlets are in full damage control mode now, talking about how unforseeable this was, and how the guy was just some nut, as if nuts were somehow less, rather than more, susceptible to this kind of rhetoric, and as if they hadn't been told repeatedly the consequences their idiocy would likely have. Disgusting. Giffords herself put it very eloquently, in a video that's eerily appropos: www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs75zKxJxVYFunky
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Post by pleasethink on Jan 10, 2011 2:41:49 GMT
wow funky are you really this stupid? So it's the guns fault right it just shot itself!!! So by your logic any and every weapon should be banned? But no keep up the blame game those bad Republicans! Last time I checked every country has crimes with guns even if they ban guns. Man by far this is the stupid logic I have ever heard.
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Post by Balduvard on Jan 10, 2011 2:47:13 GMT
Man by far this is the stupid logic I have ever heard.
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Post by cathedralmaster on Jan 10, 2011 5:56:57 GMT
Republican media outlets are in full damage control mode now, talking about how unforseeable this was, and how the guy was just some nut, as if nuts were somehow less, rather than more, susceptible to this kind of rhetoric, and as if they hadn't been told repeatedly the consequences their idiocy would likely have. Not the first time something like this has happened either. O'Reilly and Beck found themselves in a very similar situation two years ago or so, only to back pedal when someone acted on their rhetoric.
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Post by Yojimbo on Jan 10, 2011 18:53:26 GMT
wow funky are you really this stupid? So it's the guns fault right it just shot itself!!! So by your logic any and every weapon should be banned? But no keep up the blame game those bad Republicans! Last time I checked every country has crimes with guns even if they ban guns. Man by far this is the stupid logic I have ever heard. Wonder who made this account to say this? I mean it looks like someone trying to hide who they are but anyhow moving on. My beliefs tend to side more in favor of those who also believe in 2A Remedies this does not mean I believe in those at least not to the insane degree these people do. That all said where does funky even place blame on the guns? He is talk about how idiotic people are about 2A Remedies and he hasn't once said he believes gun bans are necessary, at least not in this thread, now it doesn't mean he doesn't think they are but your post looks to be jumping to conclusions which turns you into the idiot.
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Post by chirality on Jan 10, 2011 18:58:05 GMT
Lawl.
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Post by Enius the White on Jan 10, 2011 19:26:25 GMT
What a profound tragedy. A disgusting lack of morality and conscience by everyone involved directly, or indirectly, in the perpetration of this crime. The defense of "I didn't think anyone was stupid enough to take me seriously" simply holds no weight.
What surprises me is the choice of the words: "senseless tragedy" used from the president on down. If, as appears to be the case, this looser acted, in part, on the thinly veiled urgings of an element of the political spectrum, then "senseless" is a poor choice of words. Inciting violence against your democratically elected political opponents is many terrible, evil things, but not "senseless". Just study history.
The U.S. has long been a model of democracy to the rest of the world. When the real and present threat of violence creeps into political discourse unchecked, true democracy itself risks falling along with the human victims.
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Post by the1kobra on Jan 10, 2011 19:36:42 GMT
wow funky are you really this stupid? So it's the guns fault right it just shot itself!!! So by your logic any and every weapon should be banned? But no keep up the blame game those bad Republicans! Last time I checked every country has crimes with guns even if they ban guns. Man by far this is the stupid logic I have ever heard. Wonder who made this account to say this? He(She?) probably isn't a player, given by the inarticulate speech and overuse of exclamations. Oh, and the grammar is in need of correction too. Attempt at Correction: Edit: Finally, I got all those quoteys right...
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Post by CataclysmicDeath on Jan 10, 2011 19:43:15 GMT
Lol T1K, lack of skill with the English Language is no indication of if a person is a player or not on HG.
There are a number of players who have issues spelling and problem, some of them even have English as a first language.
Cata
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Post by Torin on Jan 10, 2011 20:20:43 GMT
The Playername is suspicious: Pleasethink. The word "Please" is very unfamiliar here in the forums; and we never ever think. Edit: Wow, now I have it: So many people said to our new forum guest "please, think....before ...." that he/she thought that is his/her name (Rofl, soorrry, but trolling into a forum and blame our loved DM deserves some..."firing back, and reload")
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Post by tomaan on Jan 10, 2011 20:21:49 GMT
What surprises me is the choice of the words: "senseless tragedy" used from the president on down. If, as appears to be the case, this looser acted, in part, on the thinly veiled urgings of an element of the political spectrum, then "senseless" is a poor choice of words. Inciting violence against your democratically elected political opponents is many terrible, evil things, but not "senseless". Just study history. (I am NOT defending or justifying him or anybody else so don't even go there).That was my initial reaction as well, but, having viewed some opinions expressed on it in various locations (not here), I have to admit I'm starting to have second thoughts. I've seen comments ranging from blaming the victims to "what do you expect when they trample your rights?" to "round up all the Tea-B----rs, they can't be trusted". (I am NOT defending or justifying him or anybody else so don't even go there).I'm very, very hesitant to blame anybody for the actions of an individual who clearly has some major issues. It's like blaming heavy metal or DnD for kids' suicides or McDonald's for kids' obesity - at some point, the individual has to accept (and take) responsibility for his/her actions. Moreover, it's kind of hard for me to ignore the equally incendiary rhetoric that comes from extremist left-wing groups. There's a lot of "pot" and "kettle"ing going on (i.e. a lot of hypocrisy); it doesn't seem appropriate or fair to try to single out any one group/individual/organization. So, in other words, I'm having trouble with the "Person X told person Y to kill person Z argument"....it's just too hard to establish a link of causality - it would take the proverbial "smoking gun" for me to go there. (I am NOT defending or justifying him or anybody else so don't even go there).Having said that, I DO think it's appropriate to examine if/how the current political tone contributes to and reinforces psychopathic delusions. Particluarly when people cite blogs or other opinions pieces and then go on to discuss them as though they were facts (they always cover themselves by saying, "if true...."). In other words, I'm having a hard time believing he said, "I'm going to do this because somebody told me to", but rather, "I read and heard that they were going to take away my [fill in blank], so I'd better do something about it". Finally, and most importantly, politicians use this kind of language because it works - it drives polls, brings in donations, and carries voter turnout. If we're going to blame anybody, we should blame ourselves for accepting this language as "ok" and for making political decisions based on it. (I am NOT defending or justifying him or anybody else so don't even go there).If this is the case (just my opinion...nothing more) then it's incumbent upon us all to take a step back and not re-transmit the same kind of misinformation that we so readily decry. I'll follow my own advice: I do not honestly believe anybody said, "let's craft a message that gets people killed". I simply think fools are looking for soundbytes - if it tracks well, they stick with it. If it doesn't, they drop it - the only reactions they care about are the opinion polls. (sorry for all the disclaimers...just trying to make a point)
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