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Post by Higan on Aug 20, 2004 15:02:34 GMT
now thats mean, he might have a rouge character, but he dosn't steal for profit, just fun
besdies, who would use a bank note? then new banking system is much more safe
also, if you are faster, why not just run in front of him?
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Post by PapaSmurf on Aug 20, 2004 20:16:17 GMT
I said that there are 3-4 different players that are sometimes on at the same time I am. Mybe 30% of the time I play hack I can party. All I'm saying is that there are risks for pickpocketing and that the potentential gain is not really worth the risk. Especially since 98% of the time you get crap for items when youpickpocket. The reason I still do it is because its fun, and I am playing my character, and even if they did put tons of penalties on me for doing it I would still do it. Only banning it all together would stop me from pickpocketing and I dont really see that happening.
And yes points in spot will help stop me from pickpocketing I said that the text thingy is the only reason I get caught is because no one puts points in spot. There are 2 skill checks made for pickpocketing, the first is to see if I acuire the item, against a netraul char the DC is 20 a hostile is 30. Then there is a contested roll against the person being picked spot skill. Hostile creatures get a +10 to this roll. If both the checks succed you are supposed to steal the item without being detected, but as stated earlier the found item script prevents that.
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Post by Slayer on Aug 20, 2004 23:19:46 GMT
Gentlemen, it's a question of "Having Fun". The hallmark, the entire concept of Higher Ground is to Have Fun. Every area, monster, item, script issue is viewed from this point: is it fun for the players? If you are not having fun, then we have failed.Pick-pocketing is an interesting dilemma in that, those who can pick-pocket have fun doing it. Those that can't, don't have fun when it's done to them. We will never nerf a spell, monster, or ability. We want you guys to build the most powerful characters in NWN history. We want you to fight the baddest monsters in NWN history. We want you to be challenged, successful and amply rewarded. Why? Cause it's damn fun! Offering penalties to ones who pick-pocket is no fun for them. Stealing to the point that no one but pp'ers want to play on the server is no fun either. sbradley, pick-pockets are a facet of NWN that you are going to have to find a way to deal with. Papa, making people unhappy at your own expense is something that you are going to have to deal with. Making penalties for pick-pocketers outside the scope of what is already in play is unfair to rogues. Pick-pocketing so heinously that no one one wants to be near you is unfair to non-rogues. If you are impeding or demanding to impede upon another player's ability to enjoy himself/herself on our server, then you're history. There must be a balance. It is the greatest quality of this server that we, the admins, don't have to create demanding scripts to enforce this balance. You the players have always found this balance yourselves, as a community. We ask that you do the same in this case as well.
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Post by Arakasi on Aug 21, 2004 1:01:24 GMT
Well said, Slayer. As a PP-ee, I can say that it's not fun, sure. Hack and Slash tag-team picked me in the Web the other night. I muttered a few curses, flattened them both the next time I was on in retaliation, and went on my merry way. Sure, it's annoying. But having a few pixels disappear from your INV isn't anything to get real upset about.
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Post by Rastan on Aug 21, 2004 1:31:22 GMT
perhaps create some items that give 25+ bonus to spot checks
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Post by Lokison on Aug 21, 2004 1:32:25 GMT
Anyone want to get together and form a player based thieves guild and anti-thieves guild? Just let's have the thieves work together and moderate thier picking. And have a some anti thieves who "take care" of thieves within a certain player agreed upon time frame. There are one or two spells and Sp Abilities that ignore pvp settings and could be used as "capture" tags regardless of the area. I'm thinking something along these lines. Certain players join together as an anti thieves group, these players are known as such. If someone reports a theft the anti's switch to hostile and designate someone to activly search for the thief while the others only take action if the thief enters thier area or passes by. Thieves on the other hand can run interference by helping the Pp'er get way through interception, gems of teleportation, and possible defense of the thieves camp. If the thief evades capture for say 10 rl min then he is considered escaped. Of course all this is strictly player run but i don't think a little rp would hurt any of us now would it Feel free to agree or disagree with me. We can hash out actual rp rules for it later.
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Post by Lokison on Aug 21, 2004 1:35:02 GMT
perhaps create some items that give 25+ bonus to spot checks now thats just wrong. It's a specific attempt to nulify another players ability. such an item would only be fair if there was a counter item granting +25 to Pick Pocket And both items where of the same type filling the same slot. You know i'd be a lot higher than verteran if i could remember my password when i'm not at my home computer....
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Post by Rastan on Aug 21, 2004 2:53:06 GMT
the diffence between pickpocket and spot is that pickpocket can get the full +50 from equipment, and spot can only get +30 since the boost only appears on rings and amulets.
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Post by Anonalbe on Aug 21, 2004 6:58:29 GMT
Well said, Slayer. Sure, it's annoying. But having a few pixels disappear from your INV isn't anything to get real upset about. usually it would be annoying, yes.... if a Prismatic blade or something got stolen, whoop-de-do, ya know? Just kill em once for revenge and who really cares after that? But losing a drop of the immortal is far more than annoying.... It's not like you can just run back and get another whenever you like.
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Post by Higan on Aug 21, 2004 14:12:27 GMT
still, the only problem i have is people who don't know the rules of how you should steal, we had a char thats atleast lv 26 steal from me and another guy and we're lower lv than him, would it be wrong to log on as higan and teach him a lesson?
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Post by Slayer on Aug 21, 2004 17:50:20 GMT
Being pp'ed by someone higher level than you is the same as being PKed by someone higher level than you, from an admin standpoint. I think the line in the rules that best expresses our thoughts is "If you can't take it don't dish it out". Show them what it feels like to be picked on by someone more powerful than them. This might teach them a lesson. DO NOT abuse this either. If the person continues to pp bash, just as in low level bashing, make it known to us and we will deal with them much more harshly than you can
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Post by Higan on Aug 21, 2004 17:52:26 GMT
i'm just gonna kill him once to show him its no cool to be picked on by a higher lv
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Post by Higan on Aug 21, 2004 18:25:44 GMT
the guy logged off right when he was about to die, and he's higher than lv 26, lets try more like 36, monks take so long to kill
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Post by Slayer on Aug 21, 2004 18:27:41 GMT
What lvl were you?
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Post by Higan on Aug 21, 2004 18:28:26 GMT
22
the reason he said he stole from us was cause we were afk and to him that means it was perfectly fine to pp us
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